Did you notice the name on the passport?
Miss MUMFORD. Well, I didn't; no. Pat says it rang a bell when the rest of the business came up, and we recognized him on television. And she said, when the name came through on the television, it did ring a bell with her, but she said even then she couldn't picture that name on the passport.

Mr. Ball.

You did see the name on the passport, did you ?
Miss MUMFORD. Well, yes, he must have shown it to us. I can't really remember.

Mr. Ball.

But you didn't remember the name?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

Mr. Ball.

You made no note of it?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

Mr. Ball.

Did the elderly Englishman ever make a statement to you as to whether or not the young man sitting next to him on the bus, that is, Oswald, had been to Mexico City before, or been to Mexico before?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes; Oswald must have told him he had been there numerous times, because this Englishman did refer us, or did refer me to Oswald and say "He has been there before. Why don't you ask him?"

Mr. Ball.

Did he say he had been to Mexico City or Mexico before?
Miss MUMFORD. I think we were speaking about Mexico generally, because we had contemplated a trip down to Acapulco, and I was interested in the difference in temperatures.

Mr. Ball.

Was that at a bus stop?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes, outside the bus; a rest stop.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you gained some impression, didn't you, from talking to the English man, that he had not known Oswald before?
Miss MUMFORD. Only by his reference to Oswald as "the young man sitting next to me." They were talking quite a lot, the four of them.
In the first two seats were the young English couple, and directly behind them were Oswald, sitting on the aisle, and the Englishman, sitting near the window. And we could hear them talking a lot, and laughing, when we were sitting in the back, wondering what was going on.

Mr. Ball.

Did you gain the impression from anything else said by the Englishman that he was not traveling in the company of Oswald?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

Mr. Ball.

Nothing except that he referred to him as the young man--
Miss MUMFORD. Yes; but they never spoke to each other on rest stops. Oswald just went his way completely.

Mr. Ball.

When you arrived at Mexico City did the English man get off the bus with Oswald, or at the same time when Oswald did?
Miss MUMFORD. I don't remember. I remember Oswald was standing completely alone in the bus station.

Mr. Ball.

What did the Englishman do?
Miss MUMFORD. I don't remember what he did at all. We got off the bus and I don't remember seeing him leave the bus even.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you have any conversation with the English couple to indicate that they had never before seen Oswald?
Miss MUMFORD. No; I don't think they made any reference to him at all.

Mr. Ball.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation agent that you talked to on the 12th of December stated this: That in talking with the Englishman, the elderly Englishman, he said, and I will quote what he put down, "I gather the young man sitting with me has been to Mexico City before."
Do you remember words like that used by the Englishman?
Miss MUMFORD. That may have been his words. I really don't remember. That was just the general impression I got of what he said to me.

Mr. Ball.

Now, also at that time, the agent reported that it was your opinion that "Oswald was traveling alone, and that he had had no previous contact with any of the English-speaking people on the bus prior to that time." Did you tell him that?

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