We want to inquire of you concerning the contact which the Commission understands you had with Lee Harvey Oswald some time in 1953 or 1954.
Would you state your full name for the record, please.
Dr. HARTOGS. Renatus Hartogs.

Mr. Liebeler.

What is your address?
Dr. HARTOGS. 7 East 86th.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where were you born and when?
Dr. HARTOGS. In Mainz, M-a-i-n-z, Germany, January 22, 1909.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you come to the United States, Doctor?
Dr. HARTOGS. On December 4, 1940.

Mr. Liebeler.

You received your education in Germany, is that correct?
Dr. HARTOGS. In Germany, in Belgium. I have a Ph.D. from the University of Frankfurt-am-Main, which is Germany, and I have a medical degree from the University of Brussels Medical School, and then I came to the United States and I studied medicine again to fulfill the requirements of the New York State Education Department, and I have a medical degree from the University of Montreal Medical School. Then I have an M.A. from New York University, and that's it.

Mr. Liebeler.

In what field is that?
Dr. HARTOGS. In clinical psychopathology.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you are----
Dr. HARTOGS. I am a Ph. D. in clinical psychology and an M.D.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are admitted to the practice of medicine in the State of New York, is that correct?
Dr. HARTOGS. In the State of New York.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you have taken the examination for the practice of medicine?
Dr. HARTOGS. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you are admitted to practice medicine in the State?
Dr. HARTOGS. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are regularly engaged, are you not, in the practice of medicine as a psychiatrist?
Dr. HARTOGS. As a psychiatrist exclusively, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long have you been practicing here in the United States as a psychiatrist?
Dr. HARTOGS. In the States since 1949.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you practice medicine in Germany?
Dr. HARTOGS. In Belgium.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long did you practice in Belgium?
Dr. HARTOGS. 3 years.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was that as a psychiatrist or in the general practice of medicine?
Dr. HARTOGS. No, psychologist.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are also the chief psychiatrist for the Youth House of New York City, is that correct?
Dr. HARTOGS. That's correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long have you held that position?
Dr. HARTOGS. Since 1951.

Mr. Liebeler.

What kind of duties do you perform as the chief psychiatrist at the Youth House? Tell us generally about what they are.
Dr. HARTOGS. Yes, that's right. I examine all the children which have been remanded to Youth House on order of the court for the purpose of psychiatric examination, so not all children who are at Youth House are psychiatrically examined. There is only a specific quantity, number. As these children are psychiatrically examined by me and my staff, I submit my report to the court with recommendations and diagnosis, and it is up to the court to follow the recommendations or not.
I at the same time teach the staff. I give workshops in the psychiatric aspects of social work. I give seminars in which we discuss very interesting

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