Mr. BENAVIDES; Yes; then we had a colored porter that said he-had seen him go by.

Mr. Belin.

Would this be Sam Guinyard?

Mr. Benavides.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did Ted say whether or not he had gone down to the police station to try to identify the man?
Mr. BENAVIDES. After that---After I left that evening, I took off kind of early because I was so shookup that I couldn't work, and so when I say early, I usually work to 9 or 10 or 11 o'clock, at night. So I'd taken off early and the next day the kid told me that he went down there. I think it was the next day, or the day after.
Well, it was the next day he told me that they went down and identified him as the guy that came by the carlot.
Mr. BELIN. Ted told you the next day at work that he had gone down and identified him?

Mr. Benavides.

Yes; I don't know if Ted told me, but somebody told me.

Mr. Belin.

Ted worked at Dootch Motors at the same time?

Mr. Benavides.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What does he do there?

Mr. Benavides.

General manager.

Mr. Belin.

Used-car place?

Mr. Benavides.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

I am going to go down and get some clothing and see if you can identify it and I will be back in 1 minute.

Mr. Benavides.

Okay.

Mr. BELIN. I am handing you a jacket which has been marked as "Commission's Exhibit 163," and ask you to state whether this bears any similarity to the jacket you saw this man with the gun wearing?

Mr. Benavides.

I would say this looks just like it. Looks like he had laundried it, but it looks like it was a newer coat than that.

Mr. Belin.

I am handing you what has been marked "Commission's Exhibit 150," and see if this looks anything like the shirt that he had on?

Mr. Benavides.

I think the shirt looked darker than that.

Mr. Belin.

The shirt was darker?

Mr. BENAVIDES. I couldn't tell at the time because he had the Jacket on there. That was a waist-type jacket, wasn't it?

Mr. Belin.

Yes; anything else you can think of.
Mr. BENAVIDES. Not offhand, except later on, I don't know if I seen it on television but I believe I seen it on television where they was arresting him, the policeman from the theater. But it didn't seem like he had a jacket on there.
Mr. BELIN. When he was being arrested you say he didn't have a jacket on? Now at the time you saw him, did he have a jacket on?

Mr. Benavides.

He had a jacket on and it looked like that jacket there.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else?

Mr. Benavides.

No; I guess that is all I can think of right now.
I think there was another car that was in front of me, a red Ford, I believe. I didn't know the man, but I guess he was about 25 or 30, and he pulled over. I didn't never see him get out of his car, but when he heard the scare, I guess he was about six cars from them, and he pulled over, and I don't know if he came back there or not.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else?

Mr. BENAVIDES. That would be all. I think if anybody had seen anything really closeup, that he must have fired just as they got past him, and they must have seen him standing there, because he was right directly in front of me. And whenever you see a squad car parked like that, you think something is wrong. At least that is what comes to my mind.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else?

Mr. Benavides.

That is all I can think of right now that I can remember.

Mr. Belin.

Pardon?

Mr. Benavides.

That is all I can think of right now that I can remember.

Mr. Belin.

You and I never met before today, did we, except that one day