Mr. Sawyer.

Around 35 would be my best recollection of it, but it could be a few years either way.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was tall or short, or can't you remember anything about him?

Mr. Sawyer.

I can't remember that much about him. I was real hazy about that.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he said he was standing when he saw the person with the rifle?

Mr. Sawyer.

I didn't go into detail with him except that from the best of my recollection, he was standing where he could have seen him. But there were too many people coming up with questions to go into detail. I got the description and sent him on over to the Sheriff's Office.
Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person who you say gave you the primary description?
Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to the Sheriff's Office to give fuller or more complete detail.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know if he was taken there to see a lineup at the police station?

Mr. Sawyer.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Did you ever see him again?

Mr. Sawyer.

Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Belin.

Now, you talked to other people there that said they had some information with regard to where the shots may have come from?

Mr. Sawyer.

Yes, through a number of people.
Mr. BELIN. First I am going to ask you if you talked to any other people who said they saw a rifle or part of a rifle?

Mr. Sawyer.

Yes. There were a few who claimed that they had seen this.

Mr. Belin.

Where did these people that claimed they saw a rifle or part of a rifle---

Mr. SAWYER. The ones that I talked to were pointing out one of the upper floors of the Texas School Book Depository, which at that time I thought was the fifth floor.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know what portion, what side of the building it was? Was it the northeast corner or west side of the building?
Mr. SAWYER. It was on the south side of the building, and in the southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. What about this person, who I will call the primary description witness, did he say what side of the building it was on?

Mr. Sawyer.

He went and pointed out the window which I now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was the fifth floor.

Mr. Belin.

The fifth floor?

Mr. Sawyer.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

What side of the building?

Mr. Sawyer.

On the south side of the building, and the southeast corner.

Mr. Belin.

Did you talk to any witness, or did any witness talk to you who claimed to see any rifle or portion of a rifle at any place other than a window of Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Sawyer.

No, did any---
Mr. BELIN. Did any officer give you any information about talking to anyone who saw a rifle or a portion of a rifle at any place other than a window in the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Sawyer.

No, not to my knowledge.
Mr. BELIN. Did you talk to people who attempted to locate the shots on the basis of what I would call their sense of hearing, rather than their sense of sight?
In other words, what they heard rather than what they saw?
Mr. SAWYER. Correct. That is correct. Some of them claimed that they had heard shots, or thought they heard shots from over the overpass.
Mr. BELIN. Did all the people you talked to say that they heard shots over the overpass? Claim they had some knowledge about where the shots came from?