Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Long sleeves?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Buttoned sleeves at the wrist, or do you remember?

Mr. Frazier.

To be frank with you, I didn't notice that much about the jacket, but I had seen him wear that gray woolen jacket before.

Mr. Ball.

You say it had a zipper on it?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now we have over here this exhibit for identification which is 364 which is a paper sack made out of tape, sort of a home made affair. Will you take a look at this. Does this appear to be anything like the color of the sack you saw on the back seat?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I would say it was, it was more a color like this.

Mr. Ball.

It was more like this color, correct?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did it have tape on it or did you notice it?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, like I say, I didn't notice that much about it as I didn't see it very much.

Mr. Ball.

Will you take a look at it as to the length. Does it appear to be about the same length?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

We will just use this. Was one end of the sack turned over, folded over? Do you remember that?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, you know, like I was saying, when I glanced at it, but I say from what I saw I didn't see very much of it, I say the bag wasn't open or anything like it where you can see the contents. If you was going to say putting--to more or less a person putting in carefully he would throw it in carefully, you put it more toward the back. If he had anything folded up in it I didn't see that.

Mr. Ball.

When you saw him get out of the car, when you first saw him when he was out of the car before he started to walk, you noticed he had the package under the arm?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

One end of it was under the armpit and the other he had to hold it in his right hand. Did the package extend beyond the right hand?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir. Like I say if you put it under your armpits and put it down normal to the side.

Mr. Ball.

But the right hand on, was it on the end or the side of the package?

Mr. Frazier.

No; he had it cupped in his hand.

Mr. Ball.

Cupped in his hand?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Take a look at this paper bag which is Commission Exhibit 364 for identification, with reference to the width.
Was the bag about that width or a different width?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I would say it appears to me it would be pretty close but it might be just a little bit too wide. I think it is, because you know yourself you would have to have a big hand with that size but like I say he had this cupped in his hand because I remember glancing at him when he was a walking up ahead of me.

Mr. Ball.

This is another bag here which has been marked Commission's Exhibit 142. But I don't see the stamp on it. This is FBI No. 10. This was shown to you before, wasn't it, in Dallas?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; it was.

Mr. Ball.

You were asked if you had seen this before, weren't you?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I was.

Mr. Ball.

When you first saw it, you felt that the bag you saw was of a different color, didn't you?

Mr. Frazier.

Right, and I say they told me this one had been treated in the lab.

Mr. Ball.

If you will note there is a part of this bag which has not been treated.

Mr. Frazier.

Yes.