Mr. Kellerman.

Not knowing the name of the building--let me say this: When you are driving down this street, regardless of Houston or which, and you have buildings on either side of you, you are going to scan your eyes up and down this building.

Representative Ford.

Did this building create, as you turned into Houston Street, any particular problem that would have alerted you one way or another?

Mr. Kellerman.

None whatsoever. It did not produce a thing.

Representative Ford.

Your eyes scanned the area. Did they scan sufficiently to identify anything, to be alerted by anything in any window, on the roof, or anyplace else?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Representative Ford.

Did Mr. Lawson or anybody else indicate to you at any time that the Book Depository Building was a problem?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Representative Ford.

I mean beforehand.

Mr. Kellerman.

Never mentioned it.

Representative Ford.

Did Mr. Lawson or anybody else discuss with you any particular danger involved in the overpass, the triple overpass?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Representative Ford.

Did you have minute knowledge as to the route in Dallas, or was that left up to Lawson in his judgment?

Mr. Kellerman.

Left Up to Lawson and the people in Texas.

Representative Ford.

But he did tell you when you arrived in Dallas; what, again?

Mr. Kellerman.

And the people in Texas, the police department.

Representative Ford.

What did he tell you? When you arrived in Dallas that morning, he told you something.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir. He said, "This is your reception committee, which is at the bottom of the ramp leading out." I said, "Are we all right in Dallas here all the way for today?" And he said, "Yes; this will be fine." I said, "All right; let's get on with it."

Representative Ford.

When were you first interviewed by anyone regarding the directions from which the shots came?

Mr. Kellerman.

I don't recall ever being interviewed.

Representative Ford.

Did you ever make a statement for submission to the Commission or to your supervisors?

Mr. Kellerman.

Just this statement that I submitted here.

Representative Ford.

Which is included in the Secret Service report.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

Did you have anything to do with setting up the method of trying to apprehend the alleged assassin? Was that outside or within your jurisdiction?

Mr. Kellerman.

Outside, sir.

Representative Ford.

You did nothing in that regard.

Mr. Kellerman.

Nothing.

Representative Ford.

I believe that is all. I have to go back to a very important committee meeting, Mr. Chairman. I may be able to get back later, Mr. Chief Justice.

The Chairman.

I will be here the rest of the afternoon, so there will be no necessity of your coming back if you are tied up. Thank you very much for presiding all day. Mr. Specter, have you some more questioning?

Mr. Specter.

I have just one or two other questions.
Mr. Kellerman, you referred to a single statement which you said you had made. In the report of the U.S. Secret Service on the assassination of President Kennedy, on Exhibit 12, statement 11--we have the first statement which you made, which is four pages, and that is the one to which you referred, to refresh your recollection earlier today, and I show you what appears to be a second very brief report which you made 1 day later under date of November 30, 1963, with your name and initials, and ask you if you made this one, also.

Mr. Kellerman.

That is right; yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

All right. You referred to you and Mr. Boring being the two