Mr. Rea.

He was sitting.

Mr. Hubert.

Which is Mr. Newnam's desk?

Mr. Rea.

No. 23.

Mr. Hubert.

When you saw him Mr. Newnam was not there?

Mr. Rea.

That's right. There was no one around the desk.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him ever between desks 5 and 3 ?

Mr. Rea.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Whose desk is that?

Mr. Rea.

Let me see This is the desks for the secretaries and 3 is Georgia Mayor's and 5 is Dick Saunders--yes--that would be correct.

Mr. Hubert.

You saw him there?

Mr. Rea.

Yes; later on in the afternoon.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was he talking to or was he alone?

Mr. Rea.

Yes; he was talking to---well, from time to time I saw him talking to various people. I do recall him talking to Georgia Mayor, our secretary.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall him talking to Saunders ?

Mr. Rea.

I think--well, it seems like that later on--I know Dick was in there yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It would have been after I o'clock?

Mr. Rea.

Yes; oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him around the TV set?

Mr. Rea.

Yes; I observed him in here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

What seemed to be his reaction at that time ?

Mr. Rea.

Oh, he definitely had a look of despair. I don't know what you'd say--it was---he was emotionally "shookup" so to speak. There was no question about that. Of course, like I've told these other men that I've talked to, so was everybody else.

Mr. Hubert.

That's the point I wanted to get at. Do you think that he was more "shookup" than the other people around there ?

Mr. Rea.

I'll say--I'd say that he had a little bit different look--yes--a different type of an expression; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a recollection that you formed at that time or since?

Mr. Rea.

No, sir--yes---well--when I heard of the well; yes, the picture of him just sort of stood out. It really impressed me.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, mind you, this was before he had had anything to do with this?

Mr. Rea.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

You now recall that he had a look that was different from other people's?

Mr. Rea.

Well, yes; and I realized it at that time. Of course, now, you'd look around and people were crying, some of them were crying. He didn't shed a tear, that I saw. Other people were staring at the floor, but this guy had an ashen, pale look that, you know, like he was in a state of shock.

Mr. Hubert.

And you noticed it then?

Mr. Rea.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, of course afterwards, I suppose, when he became more closely connected with the matter, your recollection went back to that mental image?

Mr. Rea.

That's right. I was Just getting out of church when this happened. I didn't watch it on television, so when we came out we tuned in the radio or right away turned it on and all this big bedlam was going on, that Oswald had been shot, and so within 5 minutes I was home, and within another 5 minutes this Georgia Mayor who also lives in Lancaster called, called over, and we discussed it at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean you discussed your former recollection that he seemed to be more shocked than anyone else?

Mr. Rea.

Oh, yes; or the sort of strange look that he had, and like I said--also--whether that's the normal thing for him under similar circumstances, I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he talk to you about closing the club at any time on that day?

Mr. Rea.

I never one time talked to him. I had no conversation with him.