Mr. Hubert.

And she mentioned rent and groceries?

Mr. Carlin.

It Seems to me she said something like rent, groceries and other things, just as you would say everybody else. In other words, we needed money to exist until she could get the rest of her check.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Carlin, the purple of this call to Mr. Ruby was, as you have stated it, is that correct?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You were not asked by anyone to make this call, is that correct?

Mr. Carlin.

That's correct, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

No one suggested to you other than your wife, of course, and Ruby himself, that this call be made?

Mr. Carlin.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Insofar as Ruby suggested it be made, he didn't suggest anytime, as far as you were concerned, that it be made?

Mr. Carlin.

If he said this, I didn't hear him saying it to her on the phone. She did ask me to call, I believe, once, maybe twice, before we found the money was there. Just as soon as we found out----

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember how you all decided to call Ruby on the 24th when you did call him?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes. The fact that he said to call, and when we got up, she said that we should call, and then after we heard of Oswald's death, I think just a few minutes, I asked if the money had come in, and they said no, and I think she called and found out later that the money had come in.

Mr. Hubert.

But I mean, the time of the call to Ruby was not planned or fixed in anyway? It was completely gratuitous?

Mr. Carlin.

When we woke up, we called him. We slept late that day.

Mr. Hubert.

No time had been set prior to calling him?

Mr. Carlin.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Carlin, have you been interviewed by any members of the President's Commission other than myself today?

Mr. Carlin.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I suppose we did have what might be considered to be a little interview in some conversation in the hall. Do you recall anything that was said in the hall which has not been brought out in your deposition and your wife's deposition which I understand you have adopted with the amendments that have been made? In other words, I am trying to ask you if there is anything that we talked about that hasn't been put in the record, because if it hasn't we ought to get it in there now.

Mr. Carlin.

I understand, but I cannot think of anything.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, Mr. Jackson, have you anything that you would like to question your client, Mr. Carlin, about, or any statement you wish to make, or observation?

Mr. Jackson.

None.

Mr. Hubert.

That being the case, I think that is all.

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Karen Bennett Carlin

Testimony of Karen Bennett Carlin

The testimony of Karen Bennett Carlin was taken at 3:05 p.m., on April 15, 1964, at the Post Office Building, Fort Worth, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mrs. Carlin was accompanied by her attorney, Mr. Alfred J. Jackson, Jr., and by her husband, Mr. Bruce Carlin.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Karen Bennett Carlin. Let the record show that Mrs. Carlin is accompanied by her husband, Mr. Bruce Carlin, and by Mr. Alfred J. Jackson, Jr., attorney at law, in the firm of Tuchin & Jackson, suite 705, Fair Building, Forth Worth 2, Tex., who is representing Mrs. Carlin. Mrs. Carlin, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the General Counsel of the President's Commission. Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130, dated November 29, 1963, the Joint Resolution of Congress