Mr. HUBERT, Have you been in any discussion with anybody as to who might have seen him and who might not have?
Sergeant PUTNAM. No, sir. I--there have been discussions to the effect that if he were there, surely someone would have seen him and recognized him. I mean, just in informal discussions, how could he be there.

Mr. Hubert.

And yet, of course, he was there ?
Sergeant PUTNAM. I understand that.

Mr. Hubert.

But, you know of no evidence that would indicate that anyone did actually see him?
Sergeant PUTNAM. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You have never heard anyone say that he had seen him?
Sergeant PUTNAM. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you heard anyone say that they knew that someone had seen him there?
Sergeant PUTNAM. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the discussions have been simply that since he was there it is just amazing that he was not seen my anybody?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Except when I evaluate it. Having worked with those reporters and around them I can understand how that could have happened, because with as many a number of reporters that we dealt with for those 2 days, it's a tough job knowing everyone personally.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you were directed to get into a car with a couple of people and drive around to the Commerce Street side?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Who gave you that direction ?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Sergeant Dean.

Mr. Hubert.

NOW, when you drove out you were driving the car, weren't you? Sergeant PUTNAM. That's--no, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Weren't you? Didn't you drive the car?
Sergeant PUTNAM. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Who drove it?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Lieutenant Pierce.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you see Lieutenant Pierce leave with the car?
Sergeant PUTNAM. I was in the car.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you seated in the car?
Sergeant PUTNAM. In the front seat.

Mr. Hubert.

I'm sorry. The front right seat?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was in the back seat?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Sergeant Maxey.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you first get seated in the car ?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Are you referring to time?

Mr. Hubert.

Let's get it this way, I understand that you had to get out of the car to move some of the people out of the way so that the car could go up the ramp.
Sergeant PUTNAM. That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

So, you were seated in the car in the basement or parking area at first when you started off?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Actually on the ramp that comes from the parking area to the ramp that goes between the two streets.

Mr. Hubert.

Got in the car there ?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have to get out?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you have to get out?
Sergeant PUTNAM. After he traveled about 10 to 15 feet.

Mr. Hubert.

Why did you have to get out?
Sergeant PUTNAM. Because the reporters had formed on the north.

Mr. Hubert.

Main Street?
Sergeant PUTNAM. On the north.