Mr. Jenner.

and my brother was with a group of Poles who were prisoners of the Communists, and the Poles exchanged him against some of my father's old friends.
And I remember who it is. It was a Catholic bishop in Poland.

Mr. Jenner.

What was his name?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Lozinski. He was a bishop who was in jail with my brother, also, and they wanted him, he helped my brother to get out.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your brother join you in Wilno, Poland?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He immediately--it looks vague. I think he joined us for a little while, or he maybe went ahead of us and came to the United States.

Mr. JENNER. My information is that he emigrated to the United States on the 20th of August 1920.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. A little bit ahead of us.

Mr. Jenner.

Does that square with your recollection?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. You see, there was an intermediate year. The Poles had occupied part of Russia. I think we saw him just before he departed for the United States. The Poles offered him to join the Navy in Poland, and he decided to go to the United States.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. I had digressed a moment because it was appropriate to have your brother come in at the point we reached. But we have you now in Belgium, attending the university.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Had your brother had a higher education while he was still in Russia? That is, had he gone beyond the gymnasium stage?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. My brother was a midshipman in the Navy. He had only the naval academy education, and even shortened--short naval academy education. I don't know what you would compare it to. Certainly better than high school here.

Mr. Jenner.

Junior college?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Junior college; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you continued your studies, did you, in Belgium?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And did you receive a degree from the institute of higher commercial studies in Antwerp?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. I received what you called--master's degree, probably equivalent, because they don't have bachelor's degree there. You get immediately a master's degree--a license--in finance and in maritime transportation--another year of maritime transportation.

Mr. Jenner.

And you attended this institute for 4 years, did you not?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. For 5 years.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, you received----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; all the degrees you can get there.

Mr. Jenner.

This is one of the oldest commercial institutions of higher learning in Europe?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Something like the Harvard Business School?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; founded by Napoleon.

Mr. Jenner.

And you received a----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It is a mixture of some engineering and commercial--not exactly like Harvard School of Business Administration. It lets you carry on industrial and business activities, with a specialization in maritime transportation.

Mr. Jenner.

There is some indication that your degree is one of master of arts in commercial, financial, and counsular sciences.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you continued on--after you received that master's degree, you continued on for another year, did you not?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

No; you entered----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I entered the University of Liege.

Mr. Jenner.

And how long did you study there?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Two years.

Mr. Jenner.

And you ultimately received a degree, did you not?