Mr. Mamantov.

No; the first time I met him through Mr. Bouhe, and this was a first acquaintance and just like I said, the only places--it was in somebody's house and parties, we usually wouldn't stay too long because of him. We just have some reason--we had a tendency to avoid this person as much as possible.

Mr. Jenner.

You acquired a normal or natural aversion to or dislike of George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

From what he did and what you thought he represented?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct, because being of the same nationality, I thought he was hurting all of our emigre here in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether Marina or Lee Oswald knew the De Mohrenschildts?

Mr. Mamantov.

I know that Marina related the conversations to my mother-in-law as "our best friends in Dallas," referring to both of the De Mohrenschildts.

Mr. Jenner.

You are now stating that your mother-in-law told you that Marina said to her, "These were their best friends in Dallas"?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

We both appreciate that that is pure hearsay, but that remark was made to you?

Mr. Mamantov.

I mean, it was made in a family--after my conversation between my mother-in-law and Marina.

Mr. Jenner.

And there was yourself--and anybody else present----

Mr. Mamantov.

My wife was present.

Mr. Jenner.

When your mother-in-law made that statement in your presence?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes; that's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

But Marina was not present at that time?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, no; our family haven't seen Marina in our lives. Mother- in-law never have seen Marina--was except at a distance at Sears store, except that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Your information is that there never was any direct contact between your mother-in-law and Marina except on the telephone?

Mr. Mamantov.

On telephone.

Mr. Jenner.

And, was that by way of the telephone?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And you were not present, in the presence of your mother-in-law, when your mother-in-law had that conversation with Marina?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, sir; I was at work. You see, she lived--if I can take your time, I can tell you how it happened, if it is important I can. I don't want to take your time.

Mr. Jenner.

I want to avoid hearsay, and that's why I am going a little carefully at this moment because, on this trip we plan to talk with your mother- in-law and take her testimony directly, just not hearsay.

Mr. Mamantov.

That's what I thought, but the reason she talked was because Marina was at Paine's house and Paine went to San Antonio and asked my mother-in-law to check on Marina because Marina was pregnant at that time--you see the connection?

Mr. Jenner.

No; to check on Marina, that she had any suspicion of her?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, no; but in case she needs help, but just in the way of help, and this way the whole conversation came up. Now, my mother-in-law--I asked Mr. Peterson who called me on Friday if my mother-in-law would be called or is called, I will come with her because she needs a translator.

Mr. Jenner.

You may bring her.

Mr. Mamantov.

If I may bring her with me because everything she knows we know in the family, and she needs a translator, and I translated for her when she was questioned by FBI. She doesn't speak enough English to answer your questions.

Mr. Jenner.

. Oh, is that so?

Mr. Mamantov.

She will understand what you are talking about but--as far as that--she is 75, and an elderly lady and she can be quite nervous by being by herself and so on.