Mr. Ball.

And what date did you buy it?

Mr. Michaelis.

Invoice No. 1181 dated October 13, 1962.

Mr. Ball.

And it was shipped to you by the Empire Wholesale Sporting Goods, Ltd., on what date?

Mr. Michaelis.

It went---it was on 10/19/62, in St. Albans, Vt., and from then on it was directed to our place of business, which was at that time 1225 South Grand Avenue. However, the merchandise in question did not arrive before January 3, 1963.

Mr. Ball.

Is that the date it did arrive?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes. It was received January 3, 1963.

Mr. Ball.

Off the record.
(Discussion held off the record.)

Mr. Ball.

Now, when this gun was first received, what was the length of its barrel?

Mr. Michaelis.

Five inches.

Mr. Ball.

And was it changed?

Mr. Michaelis.

It was changed.

Mr. Ball.

To what?

Mr. Michaelis.

To a 2 1/4-inch barrel.

Mr. Ball.

How did you happen to do that?

Mr. Michaelis.

Well, we gave the guns out to Mr. L. M. Johnson and instructed him to make up the guns as far as barrel lengths are concerned to our specifications.

Mr. Ball.

Why did you shorten them from 5 to 2 1/4 inches? Explain to me for the record.

Mr. Michaelis.

Because we have quite frequently calls for the Smith & Wesson revolvers with shorter barrels such as 2 1/4 inch or 4 inch.

Mr. Ball.

Did you shorten all of the consignment that you received?

Mr. Michaelis.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Just a certain number?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, this particular gun was shortened, then, from 5 to 2 1/4?

Mr. Michaelis.

Correct.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. Johnson's number--and is that M. L. Johnson?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes; just a minute. Or L. M. It is M. L.

Mr. Ball.

And what is his address?

Mr. Michaelis.

At that time, 13440 Burbank Boulevard, Van Nuys, Calif.

Mr. Ball.

Now, that gun was sold, was it not, pursuant to a mail order?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes; mail order.

Mr. Ball.

I hand you a document which has been marked Commission Exhibit No. 135. Will you examine that and tell me whether or not you ever saw that before?

Mr. Michaelis.

I saw it the first time on November the 30th.

Mr. Ball.

The first time?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you find that? Where was it when you saw it on November 30?

Mr. Michaelis.

It was attached to our invoice No. 5371, in the records, the red copy.

Mr. Ball.

Now, this particular mail order, did you have anything to do with filling that order?

Mr. Michaelis.

No.

Mr. Ball.

What is your position here? Do you have charge of the office?

Mr. Michaelis.

I am manager.

Mr. Ball.

You are manager of the office?

Mr. Michaelis.

That is correct.

Mr. Ball.

And all of these records are under your control, are they?

Mr. Michaelis.

Well, not particularly at that time because my actual supervision of the Seaport Traders, Inc., activities started later during the year. mean in September and October, when the girl in charge left.

Mr. Ball.

At least in November you were in charge and in possession of all of the records of the Seaport Traders?