Mr. BALL. And do you remember exactly what he said?
Mr. PIPER. No, sir; I don't remember exactly. All I remember him was muttering out something---I didn't know whether he said he was going up or going out.

Mr. Ball.

He said something like that?

Mr. Piper.

Yes--something like that.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see what he did?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see where he went?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

You told me that you went to the window?

Mr. Piper.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

This is the second window to the right?

Mr. Piper.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Of the front door---that would be looking toward Elm Street, is that right?

Mr. Piper.

Yes. Of the front door--that would be looking toward Elm Street, is that right?

Mr. Piper.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And were you sitting there when you heard the shot?

Mr. Piper.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me what you heard?

Mr. PIPER. I heard one shot, and then the next shot went off---the one that shot him and I got on up and went on back, back where they make coffee at the end of the counter where I could see what happened and before I could get there, the third shot went off, and I seen the people all running and in a few minutes someone came in the building, and I looked up and it was the boss-man and a policeman or someone.
Mr. BALL. You say you heard one shot---you heard two shots and you got up and then what happened, where did you go?
Mr. PIPER. I came out to the end of the counter where they make coffee there by the stand.

Mr. Ball.

You said you did it so you could see out better?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir; I did it to see what time it was---when all this happened---to see what time it was.

Mr. Ball.

What time was it?

Mr. PIPER. It was about between 12:30---between 12:27 and 12:30--something like that, as near as I can remember.

Mr. Ball.

Could you tell where the shots were coming from?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir---I couldn't, not for sure.

Mr. Ball.

The direction?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir; I couldn't.

Mr. Ball.

Did you look out the window later?

Mr. Piper.

No more no, sir; I didn't go back to any window.

Mr. Ball.

You mentioned you saw Truly?

Mr. PIPER. I don't know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was, but another fellow was with him.

Mr. Ball.

And where were you?

Mr. Piper.

Standing right there where they make coffee.

Mr. Ball.

What did they do?

Mr. Piper.

He ran in and yelled, "Where is the elevator?" And I said, "I don't know, sir, Mr. Truly."
They taken off and went on up the stairway and that's all I know about that.

Mr. Ball.

Did you at any time go above the fourth floor on that date?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you at any time go that day up above the fourth floor?

Mr. Piper.

No--no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You never did---either before or after the shots?

Mr. Piper.

No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, that day, you went over to the sheriff's office and made a statement, didn't you?

Mr. Piper.

Yes, sir---no, sir; not that day.

Mr. Ball.

Did you the next day?