Mr. Belin.

When you talked to Mr. Rowland about what he saw in the window, did he say whether or not two men he saw were white or colored?

Mr. Craig.

Yes; I determined that right away. I asked him whether they were white or colored and he said white.

Mr. Belin.

What else did he tell you about them? Did he tell you how much of them he saw?

Mr. CRAIG. Yes. He said they--uh--walked back and forth in front of the windows there uh--several minutes. You know, not a long time but 3, 4, 5 minutes. He did state that one of them had a rifle with a scope on it.

Mr. Belin.

Did he give you the color of the hair or the complexion or anything like that?

Mr. Craig.

No--no; this he couldn't give.

Mr. Belin.

Could he give you the type of clothing they were wearing?

Mr. Craig.

If I recall, he was vague on one he thought it was khakis, but the other man he wasn't sure.

Mr. Belin.

Did he tell you anything else about these people?

Mr. CRAIG. Yes; he said he looked up a few minutes later and--uh--there was only one man up there then.
Mr. BELIN. Did he ever tell you anything about seeing any other people in any other windows?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; he said there were people in other windows looking over the ledges--you know, leaning up against the outside of the windows, looking out.
Mr. BELIN. Did he tell you whether any of these other people were on the sixth floor?
Mr. CRAIG. No; these two men were the only ones he saw on that particular floor.

Mr. Belin.

Did he tell you that was the sixth floor he saw them on?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes. He said the second to the top floor--the next floor down; which would be the sixth floor.

Mr. Belin.

Did he tell you about ever seeing anyone else on the sixth floor--or did he say that he didn't see anyone else on the sixth floor? Or don't you remember?

Mr. Craig.

Just the two men. That's all he saw on that particular floor.

Mr. Belin.

Did you specifically ask him if he saw anyone else on that floor, he say that he did not?

Mr. Craig.

No; I asked him and he said---

Mr. Belin.

Well, what was your statement to him and what was his to you?
CRAIG. I asked him was there anybody else on the floor with these two men. And he said, "No, just the two of them."

Mr. Belin.

Did he say that he saw these two men together first?

Mr. Craig.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

And then he Just saw one, as I understand it?

Mr. CRAIG. A few minutes later, he looked back up there and saw just the man with the rifle.

Mr. Belin.

I believe he said earlier that he saw these men around 15 minutes before the motorcade arrived? And then a few minutes later, you say that he told you he saw only one man?

Mr. Craig.

Right.
Mr. BELIN. Did he then tell you that he saw no men--or what did he say about what he saw after that?
Mr. CRAIG. Well, then, I took him to Officer Lewis and turned him over to Lemmy Lewis.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else you can think of about that conversation?

Mr. CRAIG. No; there was not--I don't think there was anything else discussed except for the fact that he told me he thought--he said he thought he was a Secret Service agent--and that's why he didn't report it.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Now, if you would just wait here one more minute, Mr. Craig, Mr. Ball stepped in and he's going down to pick up some clothing. And we'd like to have you