Mr. Ball.

Did you tell him that hearing another sound similar to that, you realized it was gunfire?

Mr. Dillard.

Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you heard the third shot, Now, the statement says that upon hearing the third shot, the car in which he was riding was stopped almost in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building.

Mr. Dillard.

My car?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Dillard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear Bob Jackson of the Dallas Times-Herald exclaim "I see a rifle; it's up in the open window"?

Mr. DILLARD. Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And Jackson pointed to the Texas School Book Depository located at Elm and Houston Streets?

Mr. Dillard.

That's right.
Mr. BALL. And you looked up at the building and you did not see a rifle protruding from any window?

Mr. Dillard.

I did not see a rifle.

Mr. Ball.

But you did take two photographs?

Mr. Dillard.

Correct.

Mr. Ball.

And you still have those negatives?

Mr. Dillard.

That's true.
Mr. BALL. Were you ever in a position where you could see anyone leave the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Dillard.

Briefly, only in the very short time, perhaps a period of 3 or 4
minutes, that I was in the general area. After the third shot, I was probably not there over 3 or 4 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anybody leave the building?

Mr. Dillard.

To my knowledge; no.

Mr. Ball.

I think that's everything. Will you waive signature on this?

Mr. Dillard.

Sure.

Mr. Ball.

Thank you, sir.

Mr. Dillard.

That's all right, glad to help.

James Robert Underwood

Testimony of James Robert Underwood

The testimony of James Robert Underwood was taken at 11:25 a.m., on April 1, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. Underwood, will you stand up and be sworn?
(Complying.)

Mr. BALL. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before this Commission shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Underwood.

I do.

Mr. Ball.

Will you state your name, please?

Mr. Underwood.

My name is James Robert Underwood.

Mr. Ball.

Your occupation?

Mr. UNDERWOOD. I am the assistant news director of KRLD-TV and radio in Dallas.
Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, you were in the motorcade, the Presidential motorcade?

Mr. Underwood.

Yes, sir; I was three cars behind the President.

Mr. Ball.

Who was in the car with you?

Mr. UNDERWOOD. There was a photographer from channel 5, WBAP-TV, whose name is James Darnell, and a photographer from the Dallas Morning News--- I know his name but I can't think of it right now----
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