Mr. Brian.

and he said, "I've got to have that report today," and I said. "All right," and I sat down and wrote it and I had to write it over again, that happened on the day the report is dated.

Mr. Rankin.

All of that happened, though, before any news accounts of it, didn't it?

Mr. Brian.

Well, I don't remember when they started putting it in the newspapers. There had been something about it to make him, somewhere to make him say, he was trying to convince me he was telling the truth and I said, "Well, I know you are."
I don't know what brought it on, I don't know whether it was a newspaper report or something, but anyway there was some--maybe Chief Curry was on him about it, I don't know. But he said that he was telling the truth and I told him I knew he was telling the truth because I had heard it.

Mr. Rankin.

You said you were there with him?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

How close were you to him when he was talking to Hosty?

Mr. Brian.

Right next to him when we were talking with him. We talked around there and how you meet, you know, you walk up together and meet and went on with him.

Mr. Dulles.

You were walking toward the elevator at that time, weren't you?

Mr. Brian.

Let me draw you a little picture of how that is down there.

Mr. Dulles.

I have been in the basement so I know something about it.

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir. But the ramp goes up here, this is why it would be easier to draw a picture and it would be easier than I can explain. He came down the ramp.

Mr. Dulles.

In the car?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

And you parked in the basement?

Mr. Brian.

And we parked the car, and Hosty had parked over here. You know the ramp is wide here and the other side goes up here, he had parked over in here and he was coming across this way and we coming across this way and we met.

Mr. Dulles.

Where is the elevator which takes prisoners up where Oswald was shot?

Mr. Brian.

Right through here, right in here somewhere is where Ruby shot Oswald and this is a ramp from the Main Street side and this is the ramp to the Commerce side. And this is the elevator.

Mr. Dulles.

Where is the elevator?

Mr. Brian.

The elevator is right there.

The Chairman.

That is the prisoners' elevator?

Mr. Brian.

No, sir.

The Chairman.

Or the freight elevator?

Mr. Brian.

No, sir; that is the elevator going up----

The Chairman.

Which one did you take?

Mr. Brian.

We took the elevator inside the city hall basement.

The Chairman.

I see.

Mr. Dulles.

Is there only one elevator there?

Mr. Brian.

No, sir; there are two side by side. Back on this side of the basement there are two elevators over here and one freight elevator right back on in here. But this is to the city hall this direction and this is the ramp coming in from Main Street and the ramp going up to Commerce Street. We drove in this ramp one way going in this way and one way going out.

Mr. Dulles.

Where are the stairs?

Mr. Brian.

In the basement?

Mr. Dulles.

You don't know?

Mr. Brian.

There are no stairs in the basement. I mean out here where the cars are parked. Right here is the ramp, there is a walkway going up but it is not a stairway and then it levels off and you go by through here, and the jail is right here, do you recall the jail being here, on the right by the doors as you go in.

Mr. Dulles.

I only saw the jail on top side.

Mr. Brian.

Well, the jail office is right there at the head of this ramp, the jail office where they book the prisoners through.