Mr. Jenner.

Schmidt, in which he made the reference to Stevenson, following which, that following this conversation, you eventually came to Dallas.

Mr. Weissman.

Yes sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And this conversation, as I recall it, 'the telephone call, was in the month of October 1963?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes. It was the evening of the Stevenson demonstration. According .to the letter I think it was the 24th of October.
(At this point, Mr. Dulles withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. Jenner.

Now, one of the members of the Commission is interested in having you repeat that conversation in full, W the best of your recollection.

Mr. Weissman.

Since it is recollection, it is going to change somewhat in words, but in tenor it will be the same.

Mr. Jenner.

You do your best.

Mr. Weissman.

Larrie called me on the telephone and he was very excited, and he had described what had transpired in Dallas---

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us what he said, please. That is what we are interested in.

Mr. Weissman.

He just said----

Mr. Jenner.

And his part in it, if any.

Mr. Weissman.

He said that he had helped organize this demonstration and it went off beautifully, there is going to be national publicity, the newspapers were all over the place, he had given statements to the news media, to the television. He said he was on TV and radio, and had given out statements, and that he was--it seems that he was going to be heading for, not trouble, but a good deal of difficulty because i.t seems that he was the only one that came out as one of the organizers of the demonstration, who only came out and said so.

Mr. Jenner.

And identified himself with the demonstration?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes, sir. He said he had--what did he say--something to the effect that he had a bunch of his people down there, the University of Dallas students.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he identify them as students?

Mr. Weissman.

I don't recall. I met the students several weeks later when I got to Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

The students he had employed?

Mr. Weissman.

That had participated in the demonstration; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he describe what the demonstration was insofar as his part and his group's part in it was?
(At this point, Mr. Dulles reentered the hearing room.)

Mr. Weissman.

Well, just to the effect they had picketed and carried signs and made me noises inside the auditorium. Not he and his group, but that the picketers had raised quite a hullabaloo inside the auditorium.

Mr. Jenner.

Were they his picketers?

Mr. Weissman.

I don't know. This he didn't specify. I had assumed----

Mr. Jenner.

What impression did you get in that respect?

Mr. Weissman.

I had assumed his picketers were part of it.
(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. Jenner.

You were repeating to the best of your recollection that telephone conversation.

Mr. Weissman.

The gist of the conversation; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

As best you are able to recall.

Mr. Weissman.

That is right. I really cannot swear to its 100 percent accuracy, but I would say it is 75 percent accurate anyway.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you now exhausted your recollection as to all that was said, in substance?

Mr. Weissman.

In substance; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In the course of that conversation.

Mr. Weissman.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it he urged you to come to Dallas?

Mr. Weissman.

He did.

Mr. Jenner.

That this Stevenson incident had stimulated things to the point that CUSA--you member of CUSA should come to Dallas, and everything was ripe?

Mr. Weissman.

He did we can pick up the ball and start running.