Representative Ford.

these technical specialists in fiscal year 1964 did not in any way handicap operation in Dallas at the time of the assassination?

Mr. Rowley.

No; we have never said that. We are just saying that if we had the equipment--in other words, what I am trying to do, Mr. Congressman is to move forward. And the only way I know, after a period of years, is to ask for a sum of money, but then my experience is that sometimes the Congress becomes alarmed. But this is a need that we have. And this is what I am trying to explain. This is an example of what we are trying to do, in equipment and manpower.

Representative Ford.

Mr. Chairman, or Mr. Rankin, I have to go shortly over to a session of the House. And since we are in the budget area, I think it might be well for the record to develop some facts concerning your budget what have in the past and what you are suggesting they might be in the future.

Mr. Rowley.

Well, I have here a summary of the appropriation allocations as it applies to manpower and equipment, and the number of persons on the roll.

Representative Ford.

Do you receive your appropriations in a lump sum or how do you receive Secret Service appropriations?

Mr. Rowley.

I guess it is on a warrant. When the warrant is signed----

Representative Ford.

Your budget is included as a part of the Treasury Department budget?

Mr. Rowley.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

Now, do you have it in a separate part of the Department budget?

Mr. Rowley.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

Is it specifically earmarked for the Secret Service?

Mr. Rowley.

It is; yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

It is a lump sum for the Secret Service?

Mr. Rowley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

That is a public appropriation, it is made public?

Mr. Rowley.

That is correct; yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

Congressman Ford, if I may interrupt just a minute, I can ask Chief Rowley if Commission Exhibit No. 1028 is the one he just referred to in answer to your question about the budget.

Mr. Rowley.

Yes, sir.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 1028 for identification.)

Mr. Rankin.

I then offer in evidence Commission Exhibit No. 1028.

The Chairman.

It may be admitted.
(The document heretofore marked for identification as Commission Exhibit' No. 1028, was received in evidence.)

Mr. Rankin.

Exhibit No 1028 Chief Rowley does include in this--so it will be understandable the Commission, the figures for your proposed budget of 1966, doesn't it?

Mr. Rowley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

And those are shown in that manner on the exhibit?

Mr. Rowley.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

Is the figure we see here----

Mr. Rowley.

This Is what we call a tentative budget.

Mr. Rankin.

That has been presented to the Budget Bureau?

Mr. Rowley.

It has not been presented to the Budget Office of the Treasury, which is the first step then It goes to the Budget Bureau, and then subsequently to the House and Senate.

Mr. Rankin.

You said It has not been.

Mr. Rowley.

No; this is a tentative proposal that we have made.

Mr. Rankin.

At this stage, so we get the record clear--that is a consideration of what you think you should have, but It hasn't gone through the steps you have just described, is that right?

Mr. Rowley.

That is right. But it does not include---necessarily, until we complete our thorough examination---what our requirements will be under the new revisions of our organization. Particularly as it relates to manpower, we want to be sure that we have the proper justification. And so we hope by October or November to have a good estimate at that time.