Mr. Ruby.

Chief Justice WARREN. It doesn't make any difference.

Mr. Ruby.

Forty-five minutes difference.
I am up there in the composing room talking to a guy by the name of Pat Gadash. He was so elated that I brought him this twist board, and I had it sealed in a polyethylene bag, but he wanted to see how it is demonstrated, how it was worked.
It is a board that is on a pivot, a ball bearing, and it has a tendency to give you certain exercises in twisting your body. So not that I wanted to get in with the hilarity of frolicking, but he asked me to show him, and the other men gathered around.
When you get into the movement of a ball bearing disk, your body is free to move. I know you look like you are having a gay time, because naturally if your body is so free of moving, it is going to look that way.
I am stating this in that even with my emotional feeling for our beloved President, even to demonstrate the twist board, I did it because someone asked me to.
You follow me, gentlemen, as I describe it?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes; I do.

Mr. Ruby.

Then we placed the ad in, and if I recall, I requested from Pat to put a black border around to show that the ad was in mourning, or something, because we were, everything was in mourning.
Bill, will you do that for me that you asked a minute ago? You said you wanted to leave the room.

Mr. Decker.

I will have everyone leave the room, including myself, if you want to talk about it. You name it, and out we will go.

Mr. Ruby.

All right.

Mr. Decker.

You want all of us outside?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Decker.

I will leave Tonahill and Moore. I am not going to have Joe leave.

Mr. Ruby.

If you are not going to have Joe leave----

Mr. Decker.

Moore, his body is responsible to you. His body is responsible to you.

Mr. Ruby.

Bill, I am not accomplishing anything if they are here, and Joe Tonahill is here. You asked me anybody I wanted out.

Mr. Decker.

Jack, this is your attorney. That is your lawyer.

Mr. Ruby.

He is not my lawyer.
(Sheriff Decker and law enforcement officers left room.)
Gentleman, if you want to hear any further testimony, you will have to get me to Washington soon, because it has something to do with you, Chief Warren. Do I sound sober enough to tell you this?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes; go right ahead.

Mr. Ruby.

I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here. I can't tell it here. Does that make sense to you?
Chief Justice WARREN. Well, let's not talk about sense. But I really can't see why you can't tell this Commission.

Mr. Ruby.

What is your name?

Mr. Ball.

Joe Ball.
Chief Justice WARREN. Mr. Joe Ball. He is an attorney from Los Angeles who has been working for me.

Mr. Ruby.

Do you know Belli too?

Mr. Ball.

I know of him.

Mr. Ruby.

Ball was working with him. He knows Belli. You know Melvin Belli?

Mr. Ball.

I am not acquainted with him.
Chief Justice WARREN. No association of any kind.

Mr. Ball.

We practice in different cities.
Chief Justice WARREN. Five hundred miles away. Mr. Ball practices in Long Beach, and Mr. Belli practices in San Francisco. There is positively no connection between anybody in this room, as far as I know, with Mr. Belli. I can assure you of that.

Mr. Ruby.

Where do you stand, Moore?