Mr. Fritz.

Well, I am not sure whether directly, but shortly, there wouldn't be too much time when we talk to him after that.

Mr. Ball.

Your records show the showup for Helen Markham was 4:45.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you think that is about right?

Mr. Fritz.

I think that is about right.

Mr. Ball.

All right, now how long after that would you say you went back to your office and talked to him again?

Mr. Fritz.

I would say within, it would take us a few minutes, you know, to get him back from the showup, probably 15 minutes, something like that.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present?

Mr. Fritz.

Twenty minutes.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present at this questioning?

Mr. Fritz.

This particular questioning?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

I believe---I don't want to be sure about whether Mr. Hosty stayed at this next time or not because he left at some time. Mr. Bookhout stayed and my officers were there.

Mr. Ball.

Now, there was a time when you asked him where he worked and what he did?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And was that the first----

Mr. Fritz.

That was the first time.

Mr. Ball.

The first question--what did he tell you about that?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me he worked at the Texas School Book Depository.

Mr. Ball.

Did he tell you----

Mr. Fritz.

I asked him how he got his Job down there, too.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me that someone that he knew, a lady that he knew recommended him for that job and he got that Job through her. I believe the records show something else but that is what he told me.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ask him what happened that day; where he had been?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

Well he told me that he was eating lunch with some of the employees when this happened, and that he saw all the excitement and he didn't think--I also asked him why he left the building. He said there was so much excitement there then that "I didn't think there would be any work done that afternoon and we don't punch a clock and they don't keep very close time on our work and I just left."

Mr. Ball.

At that time didn't you know that one of your officers, Baker, had seen Oswald on the second floor?

Mr. Fritz.

They told me about that down at the bookstore; I believe Mr. Truly or someone told me about it, told me they had met him--I think he told me, person who told me about, I believe told me that they met him on the stairway, but our investigation shows that he actually saw him in a lunchroom, a little lunchroom where they were eating, and he held his gun on this man and Mr. Truly told him that he worked there, and the officer let him go.

Mr. Ball.

Did you question Oswald about that?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunchroom?

Mr. Fritz.

He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.

Mr. Ball.

Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?

Mr. Fritz.

He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Mr. Ball.

That same time you also asked him about the rifle.

Mr. Fritz.

I am not sure that is the time I asked him about the rifle. I did ask him about the rifle sometime soon after that occurred, and after the showup; I am not sure which time I asked him about the rifle.

Mr. Ball.

Did you bring the rifle down to your office?