Mr. Eisenberg.

a 6.5 mm. bullet, four lands and four grooves, right twist, with the width of lands and grooves which you established as being those on this bullet?

Mr. Frazier.

Only from experience, I could. say that it would be relatively few which would agree with all of those characteristics. I have, of come, not seen or measured all of the foreign rifles, and therefore I could not estimate the number that there might be.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did you find any microscopic characteristics or other evidence which would indicate that the bullet was not fired from 139?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Were you able to determine the depth of the grooves of the bullet?

Mr. Frazier.

The bullet, 573, had what appeared to be normal-depth grooves. However, this bullet is completely flattened due to hitting a plaster or cement or other hard material on one side, and the opposite side, as a result of the flattening--has assumed a concave appearance, which has stretched the surface in various places and changes its overall appearance that is the basis for actually having to state that there were not enough unmutilated marks for identification purposes on it.

Mr. Eisenberg.

But you do conclude that this was fired from a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38, or a rifle with similar barrel characteristics?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Chairman, do you have any further questions on this?

Mr. Mccloy.

When you say you were able to determine it was fired from this type of rifle or one similar to it, that would include a number of different kinds of rifles besides the Mannlicher-Carcano?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; it could include a variety of weapons with which I am not familiar in the foreign field.

Mr. Mccloy.

But it is definitely, according to your best judgment, a 6.5 mm. bullet?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

And the bullet, such as we find it, has now characteristics similar to the type of bullet which was our Exhibit No. 399?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, it does. Placing them side by side, the cannelure, which is really the only physical characteristic apparent, comes to exactly the same place on both 399 and 573, indicating that this bullet was loaded to exactly the same depth in the cartridge--the two bullets, both 399 and 573.

Mr. Mccloy.

I think I have no further questions.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Frazier, did any other firearms experts in the FBI laboratory examine the three cartridge cases, the bullet, and the two bullet fragments which you have testified as to today?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, all of the actual firearms comparisons were also made by Charles Killion and Cortlandt Cunningham. These examinations were made separately, that is, they made their examination individually and separately from mine, and there was no association between their examination and mine until both were finished.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did the three of you come to the conclusions which you have given us today as your own conclusions?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did anyone in the FBI laboratory who examined the evidence come to a different conclusion as to any of the evidence you have discussed today?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Is there anything you would like to add to your testimony, Mr. Frazier?

Mr. Frazier.

Not with reference to this material, no.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Are you thinking of--

Mr. Frazier.

I am thinking of other examinations which I made, but which probably will come up at another time.

Mr. Eisenberg.

You are referring to examinations such as the clothing, holes in the clothing, and the fracture in the automobile windshield?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.