Mr. Jenner.

For what company, please?

Mrs. Paine.

The Nationwide Insurance Company.

Mr. Jenner.

Where is there main office?

Mrs. Paine.

In Columbus, Ohio.

Mr. Jenner.

Your father visited you at Paoli. Did you see your mother during that summer period?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I did. I saw her briefly on the way to Naushon Island, and then again I saw her on my way back to the south and west, in Columbus, Ohio.

Mr. Jenner.

At Columbus, she was living there then?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you see your sister on that trip?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Jenner.

And where did you see her?

Mrs. Paine.

She lives in suburban Washington, and I saw here there at her home. I also saw Michael's brother, and his wife, who live in Baltimore.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you identify Michael's brother, please?

Mrs. Paine.

His name is Cameron Paine, C-a-m-e-r-o-n.

Mr. Jenner.

What is his occupation or business?

Mrs. Paine.

He works with Social Security.

Mr. Jenner.

For the State or the United States Government?

Mrs. Paine.

For the United States Government.

Mr. Jenner.

That covers generally the people you visited that summer?

Mrs. Paine.

No. I also visited by brother, in Yellow Springs, Ohio.

Mr. Jenner.

That is your brother, the physician?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right. I visited with friends in the Philadelphia area, while I was at Paoli.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you mean by the term "friends" there to mean in the sense would mean friends?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Or members of the Friends Society?

Mrs. Paine.

Some were both, but I meant it as personal friends. And then I saw also friends, also both, capital F and small, in Richmond, Ind., and then from there I headed directly south to New Orleans. (Discussion off the record. )

Mrs. Paine.

Shall I go on to arrival at New Orleans?

Mr. Jenner.

This spanned a period of a little over 2 months, did it not?

Mrs. Paine.

It was just short of 2 months total that I was away from my home in Irving.

Mr. Jenner.

And in the meantime you had had the correspondence with Marina that you had related this morning, during the course of your going along, had you?

Mrs. Paine.

During that vacation she and I exchanged one letter each.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. Had you advised her that you were coming to New Orleans?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

For what purpose?

Mrs. Paine.

To visit. And to talk.

Mr. Jenner.

About what?

Mrs. Paine.

To see if it was appropriate for her to come to my house for the birth of the baby.

Mr. Jenner.

At that moment, at that time, when you were about to return or about to go to New Orleans, this concept was limited to her coming to be with you for the birth of the child?

Mrs. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

At least temporarily she abandoned the notion of joining you on a semipermanent basis?

Mrs. Paine.

It was abandoned. It was not taken up again.

Mr. Jenner.

You arrived in New Orleans?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

The 20th of September.

Mr. Mccloy.

Maybe you are going to get to this. Maybe I am anticipating