Mr. Norman.

Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce- we went beck in the building, James Jarman and I.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go when you went in the building?

Mr. Norman.

We got the east elevator. No; the west.

Mr. Ball.

The west elevator?

Mr. Norman.

The west elevator. And went to the fifth floor.

Mr. Ball.

The west elevator is the one you use the push button on?

Mr. Norman.

Yes; the one you pull the gate.

Mr. Ball.

That is right. It is a push button elevator.

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And you went up to the fifth floor?

Mr. Norman.

Fifth floor.

Mr. Ball.

Why did you go to the fifth floor?

Mr. Norman.

Usually, one reason was you usually fill orders, I fill quite a few orders from the fifth floor and I figured I could get, you know, a better view of the parade or motorcade or whatever it is from the fifth floor because I was more familiar with that floor.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you and Junior do after you got off the elevator?

Mr. Norman.

We walked around to the windows facing Elm Street and I can't recall if any were open or not but I remember we opened some, two or three windows ourselves.

Mr. Ball.

Did somebody join you there?

Mr. Norman.

Bonnie Ray, I can't remember if he was there when we got there or he came later. I know he was with us a period of time later.

Mr. Ball.

And then did he come down before the President's motorcade came by?

Mr. Norman.

Yes; he was with us before the motorcade came by.

Mr. Ball.

Did you move around any from one window to another before the motorcade?

Mr. Norman.

Well, if I did I didn't move no further than those three windows that were open in the front there. I didn't move any further than that.

Mr. Ball.

I show you some pictures here. This is Commission Exhibit No. 482.

Do you recognize anybody in that window?

Mr. Norman.

That is myself and that is Bonnie Ray Williams.

Mr. Ball.

"Myself" is pointed to as to the window in the extreme southeast corner of the fifth floor, is that right?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And Bonnie Ray is in the window next to you?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

I show you 480. Do you see the window in which you were looking?

Mr. Norman.

That window is where I was looking.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, you were looking in the extreme southeast corner?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Put over here a red arrow which shows the window from which you were looking.

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Here is 482. Do you see your picture in that window?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

The same picture?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Point out your picture on 482.

Mr. Norman.

That is myself.

Mr. Ball.

I will point that out with a red arrow on 482. Now were you standing up or sitting down?

Mr. Norman.

I was sitting. I wasn't at all standing up.

Mr. Ball.

, At the time the President's motorcade went by, how were you sitting?

Mr. Norman.

I believe I wasn't on my knees I don't think, but I was in a bunched over position somewhat like this.

Mr. Ball.

Last Friday afternoon, that is March 20. you and Junior Jarman and Bonnie Ray Williams went up on the fifth floor with me, didn't you?