Mr. Specter.

detail prior to your mentioning it, but to go back to your train of thought, you had brought up the windshield in response to my question about whether you had told us everything that you had in mind when you expressed the view that there were more than three shots. Now, remaining on the subject of the windshield, what fact about the windshield was important in your mind when you expressed the view that there must have been more than three shots?

Mr. Kellerman.

I may be a little--I am not ahead of myself in your investigation of this case, but I think with the evidence that you all have on the numbers, on the pieces of evidence that were found in the car, plus the fact that you. have a missile that was received from Dallas, from one of the stretchers, plus the fact of the missile that, to my knowledge, hasn't been removed from Governor Connally--it may have, I don't know--count up to more than three to me, gentlemen.

Mr. Specter.

All right; fine. But focusing just a moment on the windshield in and of itself, is there any physical factor or characteristic of the windshield other than those already described for the record which has any bearing on your conclusion about the number of shots?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; it does not.

Mr. Specter.

Now, moving on to the other pieces of evidence which you have just described, you referred to pieces of evidence in the car. What did you mean when you made that reference, sir?

Mr. Kellerman.

I have--I was told, although this is a hearsay thing--

Mr. Specter.

For these purposes, please tell us whatever you are referring to, whatever its source, hearsay or not.

Mr. Kellerman.

Okay; fine. That when they examined that vehicle that night, when it was brought back to Washington, D.C., two pieces of a bullet or bullets were found on the passenger side on the floor of the front seat.

Mr. Specter.

Did you observe those?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Who told you that, or what report?

Mr. Kellerman.

Mr. Boring--Floyd Boring.

Mr. Specter.

Who is Mr. Boring?

Mr. Kellerman.

He is also an assistant special agent in charge.

Mr. Specter.

Is he currently with the Secret Service?

Mr. Kellerman.

He is currently with the Secret Service at the White House; yes.

Mr. Specter.

Were those two pieces of bullet described with more particularity than you have mentioned?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; they were not.

Mr. Specter.

Were they described as fragments of bullets as distinguished from whole bullets?

Mr. Kellerman.

Right, sir.

Mr. Specter.

But do you have any information as to the size of the fragments?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; I do not.

Mr. Specter.

Are there any other pieces of evidence in the car that you were referring to there?

Mr. Kellerman.

The only other piece of evidence in the car was President Kennedy's skull.

Mr. Specter.

All right. Do you know what was done with those fragments that Mr. Boring told you about?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; I don't.

Mr. Specter.

Do you know whether or not those were turned over to the FBI?

Mr. Kellerman.

I would say they were probably turned over to the FBI; yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

And why would you say they probably were?

Mr. Kellerman.

Because they were assigned to going over the car.

Mr. Specter.

Was it their procedure to turn over whatever they found to the FBI?

Mr. Kellerman.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Specter.

Now, is there anything special in the nature of the skull which