Mr. Specter.

Precisely where was he in that instant?

Mr. Kellerman.

Lying right across the trunk of the car with Mrs. Kennedy on the left rear, Mr. Hill's head was right up in back of her.

Mr. Specter.

When you describe the left rear you mean as the car was facing?

Mr. Kellerman.

As the car is traveling, sir; yes, sir. He was lying across the trunk of this car, feet on this side.

Mr. Specter.

Was he flat across the trunk of the car?

Mr. Kellerman.

Flat; that is right.

Mr. Specter.

What was the position of Mrs. Kennedy's body at that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

She was sitting up in the corner of this back seat, like this.

Mr. Specter.

So that she was on the buttocks area of her body at that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

And what movement, if any, did you observe Mrs. Kennedy make at that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

I never did see Mrs. Kennedy leave that back seat, sir.

Mr. Specter.

When you say the back seat, are you referring--

Mr. Kellerman.

The seat she was sitting on.

Mr. Specter.

Are you referring to the seat itself of the automobile?

Mr. Kellerman.

Right.

Mr. Specter.

Where did you look next; what did you observe following that?

Mr. Kellerman.

Then I observed how the President was lying, which was-- he was--flat in the seat in this direction.

Mr. Specter.

On his left-hand side?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir. Governor Connally was lying straight on his back with Mrs. Connally over him about halfway.

Mr. Specter.

Did Governor Connally say anything up to this point?

Mr. Kellerman.

No.

Mr. Specter.

Did Mrs. Connally say anything up to that point?

Mr. Kellerman.

No.

Mr. Specter.

When was it that Mrs. Kennedy made the statement which you have described, "My God, what are they doing?"

Mr. Kellerman.

This occurred after the flurry of shots.

Mr. Specter.

At that time you looked back and saw Special Agent Hill across the trunk of the car, had your automobile accelerated by that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

Tremendously so; yes.

Mr. Specter.

Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate?

Mr. Kellerman.

Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it.

Mr. Specter.

Would you say the acceleration--

Mr. Kellerman.

Between the second and third shot.
Senator COOPER. Might I ask a question there?

Mr. Specter.

Yes.
Senator COOPER. A few minutes ago you said in response to a question that when you spoke to the driver the car leaped forward from an acceleration immediately. Did that acceleration occur before the second shot was fired?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir. Just about the time that it came in.
Senator COOPER. About the time it came in?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Not before?

Mr. Kellerman.

No.
Senator COOPER. One other question: You said the flurry of shots came in the car. You were leaning forward talking to the driver after the first shot. What made you aware of a flurry of shots?

Mr. Kellerman.

Senator, between all the matter that was--between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over.
Senator COOPER. What was that?

Mr. Kellerman.

Body matter; flesh.
Senator COOPER. When you were speaking of a flurry of shots, was there a longer interval between the first shot and the second shot as compared to the interval between the second shot and the third shot?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.