Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me.
Senator COOPER. Did Lee Oswald identify the uncle who permitted him to drive his car?

Mrs. Paine.

Senator Cooper, he did not. He just said his uncle. He did not identify his uncle by name.
Senator COOPER. Do you know of your own knowledge who the uncle was?

Mrs. Paine.

I can only assume.
Senator COOPER. What?

Mrs. Paine.

I can only assume it was the uncle he had been staying with. He had been staying at his home.

Mr. Jenner.

You had met the uncle at this time?

Mrs. Paine.

Just met him.

Mr. Jenner.

So it was the uncle with whom he had been staying just before he obtained the apartment at Magazine?

Mr. Mccloy.

What is the uncle's name?

Mr. Jenner.

Dutz Murret. This was the relative who had the nice home that Marina first saw when she arrived there and thought maybe that is where she was going to live, is that correct?

Mrs. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Go ahead, Mrs. Paine.

Mrs. Paine.

You want all other references to driving?

Mr. Jenner.

Confining yourself to his ability to drive automobiles, when next, and take it in chronological order as to when you next recall it?

Mrs. Paine.

It came up next after he returned to the Dallas area in October.

Mr. Jenner.

When was that?

Mrs. Paine.

After he returned on the 4th, to my knowledge.

Mr. Jenner.

The 4th of October?

Mrs. Paine.

That was the first I know.

Mr. Jenner.

We will get into the reasons and the circumstances but you stick with the automobile incidents.

Mrs. Paine.

He was looking for work.

Mr. Jenner.

In Dallas?

Mrs. Paine.

In the Dallas area and again, of course, I felt that he could find more jobs, be eligible for more if he could drive.

Mr. Jenner.

What did you do about it?

Mrs. Paine.

I recalled that I had a copy of the regulations for driving, what you need to know to pass the written test.

Mr. Jenner.

In what State?

Mrs. Paine.

In the State of Texas, and I gave him that booklet.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have a discussion with him about your desire, your recommendation, that he qualify to drive an automobile in Texas so it would assist him in connection with his job hunting.

Mrs. Paine.

Probably. We certainly had conversation about it.

Mr. Jenner.

Give us the subject of the conversation in terms of recommendations by you, or what did you say?

Mrs. Paine.

I again recommended, as I had in the spring, that he learn to drive.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say?

Mrs. Paine.

He was interested in learning to drive.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say anything to you?

Mrs. Paine.

I would like to offer to the Commission something we didn't get to last night.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mrs. Paine.

Which is a letter I wrote to my mother, which she just showed me recently, she just found it recently, which makes reference to the date I first gave him a lesson in driving.

Mr. Jenner.

That would be helpful to us. May I have the letter, please?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Now only a portion of it is applicable.

Mr. Jenner.

Why don't we give it a number?

Mrs. Paine.

Another portion is applicable in another connection, which I would like especially to bring up.