Mrs. Paine.

mentioned for the record--that she had written to the Soviet Embassy inquiring. about papers to go back.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you think she did that on her own initiative?

Mrs. Paine.

No; because he was insisting.

Mr. Dulles.

We have a copy of that letter, have we not?

Mr. Mccloy.

Did she ever tell you why she didn't want to return to the Soviet Union?

Mrs. Paine.

She said she liked America better.

Mr. Mccloy.

And she rather liked the conditions here better than she had experienced them in the Soviet Union?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Mccloy.

And that you think was her fundamental motivation for staying here?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Mccloy.

Wanting to stay here? When you were in contact with her at all did any--when she was staying with you, was there any unidentified characters or people that called to see her?

Mrs. Paine.

No; there was no one at all that called to see her.

Mr. Jenner.

Were there any telephone calls received during that period when you answered the phone that someone asked for Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

Only that from Lee on the night.

Mr. Jenner.

Only from Lee?

Mrs. Paine.

Only from Lee.

Mr. Jenner.

No other calls to her?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

And no other callers--that is persons who came to your home?

Mrs. Paine.

None.

Mr. Mccloy.

What was the name of these De Mohrenschildts. Did they communicate with her when she was with you?

Mrs. Paine.

No; my impression is they were already out of the country.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any mail received or delivered to your home during this period for her?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I don't think so. It is possible that Lee wrote once. I think it is more likely she wrote him.

Mr. Jenner.

In the household goods and paraphernalia transferred to your house, were there any books, pamphlets, literature?

Mrs. Paine.

I didn't see any.

Mr. Jenner.

You did not see any?

Mrs. Paine.

I did not.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you ever engage in any discussion or dialectics with Lee about the respective merits of the capitalist system or the Soviet system? Did you engage in any debates with him on political philosophy?

Mrs. Paine.

I once listened to such a debate between Lee and my husband, in October.

Mr. Dulles.

You kept out of the debate?

Mrs. Paine.

I tried hard. I felt it was not going anywhere, and that he was not a man that could be approached by logic, and that there was no point to arguing with him. I disagreed with him quite strongly, and I didn't see how it would help in any way to say so, or to try to change certainly it would not have helped to try to change his views. He, for instance, was of the opinion that all churches were an arm of the state, intent upon blinding the people. I thought his thinking was extremely erroneous, and not open to introduction of other facts, anything contradictory to his own view.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did he become intemperate in argument?

Mrs. Paine.

No; he did not.

Mr. Mccloy.

But in the course of his discussions with your husband, did he assert adherence to the element of violence as a factor--

Mrs. Paine.

Michael tells me he did. I didn't hear that particular discussion.

Representative Ford.

In response to Mr. McCloy, you told of this argument that your husband and Lee Oswald had. You said it was October. This is October 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.