Mr. Liebeler.

Would it help to refresh your recollection if I suggested that November 9th was a local election day in Dallas, I believe?

Mr. Paine.

I think that is an election that I have forgotten.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have no knowledge of Oswald's activities on that day, no direct personal knowledge?

Mr. Paine.

It doesn't, it didn't cue me in, so I don't--

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever see Oswald drive a car?

Mr. Paine.

No; I did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever discuss with him driving an automobile or obtaining a driver's license?

Mr. Paine.

I probably said it would be well to get a driver's license. It would be well--I probably said, "You probably need a car to get around here." In other words, effectively; no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate to you that he planned to purchase an automobile?

Mr. Paine.

I bought this second-hand car for $200.

Mr. Liebeler.

What kind of a car is that?

Mr. Paine.

That is a 1956 Oldsmobile.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you buy it?

Mr. Paine.

I bought it while they were there, while Marina was staying with us, which was sometime in November. Either October or November, probably the early part of November. They went out to admire the car. $200, I suppose, didn't seem out of their reach then.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he indicate to you that he was thinking--

Mr. Paine.

Therefore, I think Ruth, they went out to admire the car and, of course, I was thinking that it, this might make it appear to them that the car was within reach, and driving was something to be sought.

Mr. Liebeler.

In addition to the Oldsmobile that you mentioned, you personally own a Citroen automobile and your wife owns a station wagon, is that correct?

Mr. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never saw Oswald drive any of those cars at any time?

Mr. Paine.

That is correct. I had keys to both of my cars so he could not have driven them without--

Mr. Liebeler.

Without your knowledge?

Mr. Paine.

Or else somehow getting another. He would have to--you can, I have driven my car when I have broken the key.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you never saw him drive it?

Mr. Paine.

I never saw him drive it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did your wife ever tell you that she had seen Oswald driving a car or she was trying to teach him how to drive a car?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; she did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she indicate what proficiency he had at operating an automobile?

Mr. Paine.

She thought he was, she observed how much one has to learn in order to drive a car. He had a difficulty in some manner, perhaps it was in judging when to turn the wheel when parking. And I think she said he over controlled it, turned too far.

Mr. Liebeler.

Looking back now on all your conversations with Oswald, after his return from New Orleans, did you have any discussions with him other than the ones you have already mentioned in your previous testimony?

Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask a question before you answer this question. About the car, did you get any idea as to why he didn't want to drive a car or to have a car, did he think this would make him a capitalist or anything of that kind? Did anything come up in the conversations with regard to his not having a car or not driving a car?

Mr. Paine.

No. I gathered that was slightly embarrassing not to be able to drive a car.

Mr. Dulles.

All right. Thank you.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you recall any conversations that you had with Oswald