Mr. Paine.

and somehow conveying the idea that he didn't like that aspect of it and, therefore, I assumed he didn't like it. He spoke only with pleasure of his hunting trip. He mentioned a hunting trip, I don't think he mentioned them in plural, which he had taken with some friends.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember any more details about that hunting trip?

Mr. Paine.

We talked, this was within the first half hour, the talk was very brief-

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever mention to you this hunting trip or anything relating to a rifle or shotgun in the Soviet Union at any later time?

Mr. Paine.

No; I didn't know what time he was referring to.

Mr. Liebeler.

I mean at any other time after the first meeting with you did he refer again to his activities in the Soviet Union?

Mr. Paine.

I see.

Mr. Liebeler.

In connection with this rifle?

Mr. Paine.

No; that subject never came up again.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you at this first meeting about his work in the Soviet Union?

Mr. Paine.

I had gathered he worked somewhere in a television factory.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I can't remember whether it was television, it was electronics of some sort.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you the nature of his work?

Mr. Paine.

He did not tell me. I thought to myself that if he was in a very honorable position there he would have mentioned it. So, I thought he was probably just a mechanic of some sort, wiring it together.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you how much he was paid?

Mr. Paine.

I can't remember, I think he did but I don't remember what he said.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he indicate that he received any income other than from his work?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't believe he told me anything about that.

Mr. Liebeler.

We have been referring primarily here in our questioning to the first meeting that you had with him, but do you remember any subsequent conversation with Oswald about his work, his pay, and his income in the Soviet Union after this first meeting?

Mr. Paine.

I think he thought it was too low. He thought the standard of living, he recognized the standard of living was low, and they were restricted therefore in their--just too confined, told where to live. The food was boring and there was nothing to do. I didn't get the idea it was lack of money. He did not say anything about lack of money.

Mr. Dulles.

I wonder if we could get for our guidance the approximate number of times he saw Lee Oswald?

Mr. Paine.

It was about four times that we had lengthy conversations.

Mr. Dulles.

Four times, that is four times prior to the date of the assassination.

Mr. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Dulles.

Or that includes all the times?

Mr. Paine.

I didn't see him again after the assassination.

Mr. Dulles.

You didn't see him after the assassination. Four times prior to the assassination including this one time you have already described?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. This is the first meeting before he went to New Orleans and then about three weekends after he came back

Mr. Dulles.

I think that will be taken up. I just wanted to get in my mind approximately how many times in all you saw him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald at any time indicate to you that he was treated by the Russian authorities in any way different from ordinary Russian citizens who occupied a similar status in the Soviet Union?

Mr. Paine.

No; I wasn't aware of that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you about any special training that he had?

Mr. Paine.

No; he did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he mention his living accommodations?