Mr. Ford.

else, It seems to me there was somebody else there but I can't remember who it was. Someone else may have come in later or something like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you mention George Bouhe as being there?

Mr. Ford.

Yes; George Bouhe was there.

Mr. Liebeler.

You mentioned him?

Mr. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who invited you to that luncheon?

Mr. Ford.

Mrs. Meller.

Mr. Liebeler.

Had you heard of the Oswalds prior to that time?

Mr. Ford.

Yes; I had.

Mr. Liebeler.

How?

Mr. Ford.

I first heard of them, I think, from either George Bouhe or maybe from Max Clark who lives in Fort Worth but I think it was George Bouhe. He had mentioned the name of Lee Oswald and briefly described his history, his story of his going to Russia, attempting to give up his American citizenship, and later returning from Russia with a Russian wife and child, and living in Fort Worth, and we were, my wife is Russian and we were interested in meeting her. George Bouhe, I think, at the time was attempting to help Lee Oswald find employment.

Mr. Liebeler.

When you say "her" in that sentence you are referring to Mrs, Marina Oswald?

Mr. Ford.

Yes; Marina Oswald,

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that the reason why basically you went to the lunch at the Mellers to meet Lee and Marina Oswald?

Mr. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there any conversation with the Oswalds at that time?

Mr. Ford.

There was, most of the conversation was in Russian which I don't understand. I had very little conversation with Lee himself because he spoke Russian most of the time that afternoon and Marina didn't speak any English at all.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any conversations in English with Oswald about living conditions in Russia, about his expenses in Russia?

Mr. Ford.

A little bit. He showed me pictures of people that he had worked with in Russia. I believe they were on a picnic together, a group of men, and various other pictures of places he had seen in Minsk, and he briefly described the living conditions in Russia, I guess the conditions under which he had lived in Russia, the small room they had to live in, and he said something about how much money he made there. I don't remember how much it was though.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you what kind of a job he had?

Mr. Ford.

No, he didn't. I think George Bouhe told me he had been a sheet metal worker or something similar to that.

Mr. Liebeler.

In Minsk?

Mr. Ford.

In Minsk, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald compare to you the amount of money that he was paid with the amount of money that other workers in the plant were paid?

Mr. Ford.

No; he said nothing about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he indicate in any way any source of income other than from his job?

Mr. Ford.

None.

Mr. Liebeler.

At any time did he do that?

Mr. Ford.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever learn of anything like that?

Mr. Ford.

No; I have heard people speak of it but I have never heard him or anybody that knew him say he had another source of income.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have heard people speak of it when, since the assassination?

Mr. Ford.

Since the assassination.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you heard nothing of it prior to the assassination?

Mr. Ford.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you get any impressions of Oswald at this first meeting?

Mr. Ford.

I had an impression that he was not the type of person I could make friends with very easily. He didn't impress me as being friendly to me