Mr. Liebeler.

And so you translated that into Russian?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right, I translated it into Russian.

Mr. Liebeler.

Up to that point was Mrs. Paine the only person who discussed that subject with you.

Mrs. Ford.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any further discussions with Mrs. Paine or anybody else?

Mrs. Ford.

We tried to find out about the Union and my husband called lawyers and friends of his who would know about it and called the Secret Service and FBI and nobody would tell us anything about it. They would send us somewhere else, refer it to someone else to find out, so we don't find out.
So, I just decided on my own not to go, just to translate.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well now, what is this about going with them, what did Mrs. Paine ask you?

Mrs. Ford.

She thought that maybe since I knew Marina she would rather confide in me more than just anyone like reporters or someone just from the Union would go there.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you declined to go with them?

Mr. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did there come a time when somebody else spoke to you about this subject?

Mrs. Ford.

No, not at all. Just during that time I wanted to find out if she was in prison.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Marina respond to the letter that you translated?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; they received an answer right the next day, and the man from Richardson, who I think is the head of that Union in Dallas, came to my house and asked me if I could translate it back into English.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember that man's name?

Mrs. Ford.

No; if you mention it I would know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would it refresh your recollection if I mentioned the name of Gregg Olds?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right; yes, that is his name.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did Mr. Olds say to you when he came to see you?

Mrs. Ford.

He just brought the letter and he was rather standing and he wasn't talking very much. He was kind of a quiet person, I think. I took the letter--he thought I could just sit there and do it real fast in front of him, but I had to take it into a room and sort of concentrate in the living room and translated and giving it to him.
He said, "Thank you," and he left.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us approximately when this was?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I cannot say. Let's see. I think it was sometime before Christmas, because after that I sent her a Christmas card.
No, wait a minute, I just can't say if it was before Christmas or afterward, I don't remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember if it was before or after Marina testified before this Commission?

Mrs. Ford.

That was before the Warren Commission.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was before the Warren Commission?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to Marina again on the telephone after this first time?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; I talked to her on the telephone because through my husband's brother who is a professor in one of the universities in California, he had a friend by the name of Isaac Levine who does write, who speaks Russian and writes rather--he wrote a book of on the mind of the assassin, Trotsky's story. He wanted to contact me and to find out if Marina had signed a contract on writing a book. So I told him that I would call the managers, since there was published in the newspaper at that time, and to find out if they did, and I did call. I called her lawyer and I asked if she signed for a book, and I called Levine long distance and told him she did not have a contract signed. Then he told me that he would like--he wanted to know if he could arrange to see