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(Testimony of Mrs. Katherine Ford)
Mrs. Ford.
Yes; she was going into more of that in talking with me more than anything else, I think. Actually most of the time she was talking about her friends during, I think about when she was going to school, about her boy friends and things she was talking to me about her friends and she did go into talk about when she lived in, let's see, it is not Ukraine, I think it is Bessarabia, right now where would that place be, to live there, and she was very young, I believe, let's see she was born during the war, and they were sent somewhere, I don't know where hey were sent, but then she lived there in Bessarabia for a few years, because there was a lot of food there and vegetables and they were sent there, to feed, like they sent the cattle to be fed up, I believe that is the expression she used after the war where the children could eat a lot of fruit and then she returned to Leningrad, I believe. I don't know how long she lived in Bessarabia.
Mr. Liebeler.
What did she tell you about her life in Leningrad, just briefly, if you will summarize it for us.
Mrs. Ford.
Well, really, I don't know--the only thing I knew was about some of the things she was telling me about friends she had there, she had a friend that was a medical student and she told me she talked a lot on the telephone to him, and she was rather, I thought that is where I made the impression to me, it made an impression to me she was immature, she liked to talk to the man for a long time in the evening but she was afraid to be seen with him in the streets, he was ugly, so I thought it was rather strange, you know, and then--
Mr. Libeler.
Did she tell you who she was living with in Leningrad?
Mrs. Ford.
Yes; she was living with her stepfather, that is what I remember, living with a stepfather she was telling me.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did she tell you about her relations with her stepfather?
Mrs. Ford.
Yes; she did. She didn't like him and I think he doesn't like her, either; they never did.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did she tell you any reasons why she did not like him?
Mrs. Ford.
She was telling me a lot of times, she was telling me about her mother, the mother didn't want to show affection to Marina or something like that because the father was jealous of that affection, and I think he did some sort of a cruel thing to her once that she doesn't--she still remembers as being very cruel, something of accusing her of taking some family silver and selling it while she knows that he had pawned the silver for buying liquor, because it showed up, she couldn't explain it to her aunt and it just made her feel very bad at that time.
I think she just could never forgive him for that.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did Marina tell you about her move to Minsk?
Mrs. Ford.
Well, she didn't tell me at that time I just found it out not too long ago that was the reasons she wanted to get away from a friend that she found out later that he was married, she went with him for a short while she did not know he was married, but she did not go into particulars of explaining the whole thing to me.
Representative Ford.
She was going with a man who was married?
Mrs. Ford.
Yes. She met him somewhere, she had two tickets, she said, to a theater or to a movie, and she wanted to sell one ticket and he was the person who bought the ticket and they sat together in a movie house and later on, I believe, I don't know how they got to know each other later on, it was a few times they met, they have seen each other and at one time she went to his apartment, to the house that he lived, to call on him, and someone said that, "oh, that is the man who has that little boy," and she said she just turned around and went home. That is the time she found out he was married and was deceiving her.
But I don't know why she left, I mean why, exactly she left but I think this is the person that was her reason for leaving Leningrad.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did she tell you that she had left in part at least to get away from this man?
Mrs. Ford.
That is what I understood.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now, did Marina tell you why she married Lee Oswald when she was in Russia, did she talk to you about that?
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