Mr. Mcwatters.

Senator COOPER. What was it then that caused you at some time later to remember that another man had got on the bus near Murphy and had left the bus, as you have stated in 2 or 3 blocks in the vicinity of Elm Street?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, just like I say, the best I can remember is the man, I believe in fact beside the boy, I believe he was the only man on board the bus. After I got to recall, in other words--
Senator COOPER. But what I am asking you is what it was that caused you to remember the teenager at the time you made this affidavit on the 22d, and what it was that, why it was that, you didn't at that time speak of the other man who had got on the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is what I say, it just didn't--it just doesn't register, I don't know.
Senator COOPER. Were you asked whether or not any other man was on the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I don't remember whether I was or not.
Senator COOPER. When was it that you remembered about the second man being on the bus, the man that you now state got on around Murphy Street and got off at Elm?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I just studied and tried to remember everything that I could. In other words, I still, you know, just try to see if I could remember any incidents or anything that was said or done that I hadn't thought of and everything.
Senator COOPER. I think you stated you did not give the teenager any transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, I don't--no.
Senator COOPER. Was the fact then that you were shown a transfer by the police that called your attention to that?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I guess that would probably be--
Senator COOPER. Another man?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That would probably be the reason.
I don't know of any other reason that it would be unless it was the transfer, that I can recall.
Senator COOPER. Are you absolutely certain that you did see another man on that bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Do you mean the day?
Senator COOPER. A man other than the teenager?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; I picked up a man.
Senator COOPER. Where?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Along about Griffin Street that knocked on the door of the bus.
Senator COOPER. Is that near Murphy?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is near Murphy, in other words, Murphy is over here zig-zags, Griffin zig-zags across to Murphy.
Senator COOPER. Why was it then that when you made this affidavit, you wouldn't remember that a man knocked on the door to get in the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Just like I say, I guess it never did dawn on me until I just got to thinking about it and everything, and I had this boy, I mean was the one I was referring to in that affidavit right there.
In other words, he was just kind of a slight build, so far as him and Oswald, I guess they probably somewhere in the same size, I don't know. But I was mistaken in that, in other words, that was the boy right there--
Senator COOPER. Did the police ask you if any man other than the teenagers was on the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I don't recall whether they did or not.
Senator COOPER. Did you tell the police at that time on the 22d or the Federal Bureau of Investigation on the 23d about a man knocking on the window and wanting to get into the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, I believe I did.
Senator COOPER. What is it about this transfer that makes you know that it was a transfer which you issued?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, you look at that old punch mark, I guess as many times as I have punched it--
Senator COOPER. Does each--does each-driver have a different punch?