Mr. Mcwatters.

across there, and cut it, in other words, at 10:30, in other words, it would show at 10:30.
(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)

Representative Ford.

Where do you put your own identification?

Mr. Mcwatters.

On here. Well, if it is in the morning or in the afternoon, here is your a.m., or your p.m. In other words, it is before 12:45, in other words, we consider up to 12:45 a.m., in other words, that is the way they are.
In other words, I would punch it in the a.m. side of it, and if it was in the afternoon, in other words, after that, it would be a p.m. transfer, and whatever line that you are working has the name on it right here.
In other words, at that time that transfer I had punched was punched a p.m. Lakewood, in other words, because I was coming from the Lakewood addition is the way that was punched on the transfer.

Mr. Ball.

Well now, do you punch the transfer when the passenger asks for it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No. No, sir; in other words, when you leave this, you are inbound when you are going into town or when you are going, in other words, out of town, in other words.
I was coming in, in other words, when I got in Lakewood Addition I set my transfers for downtown.

Mr. Ball.

For downtown and you set them for what time?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I set them for 1 o'clock.

Mr. Ball.

You set them for 1 o'clock?

Mr. Mcwatters.

1 o'clock.

Mr. Ball.

When you reached your end of the run in northeast Dallas then you set your transfers for 1 o'clock, did you?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right, when I was coming back in.

Mr. Ball.

And when you gave this transfer near Poydras and Elm--

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you pull out a transfer that had already been set for 1 o'clock time?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir. In other words, I just reached up on my cutter and just tore off one which is already punched.

Mr. Ball.

Then did you punch it again or was it already punched?

Mr. Mcwatters.

It was already punched.

Mr. Ball.

And you had punched it at the end of the line?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

So all you had to do is pull the transfer off of the pile of transfers and hand it to the man?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is correct.

Mr. Ball.

And you had anticipated at the end of the line that when you got to about this point it would be a 1 o'clock transfer, is that correct?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, that is right.
In other words, there is enough time on it, just like I say, within a quarter of an hour, but--

Mr. Ball.

When you got to the police station that day did they show you a transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did you tell them about the transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I recognized the transfer as being the transfer that 1 had issued.

Mr. Ball.

How did you recognize it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

By my punch mark on it.

Mr. Ball.

And what about the line?

Mr. Mcwatters.

The line?

Mr. Ball.

Lakewood.
Mr. McWATTERS The Lakewood punch on it, and where it was punched and Lakewood with my punch mark on it.

Mr. Ball.

Were you able to identify it any further as a particular transfer you had given to any particular passenger?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir. Only--

Mr. Ball.

Go ahead.

Mr. Mcwatters.

I only gave two transfers going through town on that trip