Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I would assume that the orchestra began to play then before he left?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the general nature of the conversation ?

Mr. Norton.

Well, like I say--when I walked by, I hadn't seen him in a good while.

Mr. Hubert.

How long had it been since you had seen him?

Mr. Norton.

He was in the club one afternoon about, I'd say 4 to 6 weeks prior to that, with a man from Fort Worth.

Mr. Hubert.

They were just in for a drink ?

Mr. Norton.

Well, the man was. I never saw Jack take a drink.

Mr. Hubert.

They weren't there on business, were they ?

Mr. Norton.

No. You see, often times people in this business, that's the way I always do, they just drop by and say "Hello" and see what the other person is doing in the way of business. That's the only way I took it.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know who this man was from Fort Worth ?

Mr. Norton.

No; but that conversation--they were discussing a business card idea, and it was some kind of plastic business, because he had a transparent business card with him.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you know the man was from Fort Worth?

Mr. Norton.

They said he was from Fort Worth.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, he introduced you but you don't remember his name ?

Mr. Norton.

I sure don't.

Mr. Hubert.

But you do remember that he was from Fort Worth?

Mr. Norton.

That's as I understand it.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, Coming back to the 23d, which really went over into the 24th, didn't it, because midnight came right at that point, you had a conversation of about 15 or 20 minutes with him seated at the table?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you talk about generally, do you know?

Mr. Norton.

Well, when I saw him sitting there, I just said, "Hello, Jack, I didn't know you were in the house". I remember naturally just thinking about it, after what he did, and so I sat down a minute with him and I asked him what he had been doing, and I don't remember whether I said, which it says in this, that I said--that I asked him if he was closed. I don't think I asked him that because we discussed it later, just before he left, because I made the comment that I don't know whether I should open or not, and when I made that statement, that's when he told me he was closed, and I know that's the way it was.
In other words, we simply discussed--there was no discussion--this association had just been finalized. We closed it down because we couldn't get the people to be here for fine meetings and I discussed that with him, what was done at a final meeting, but I wasn't at the final meeting and there was a few dollars involved that were distributed among the members to eliminate it, that there had been accumulated, you know, a collection of dues, and then he talked to me about how fortunate I was to have the business that I had, and he thought I ran a nice club--a nice place, and it was just like I told the officer on the phone and also the man who interviewed me I'm the one that made mention of the assassination, just before he left. He didn't say a word to me about it, and even when I said it, he just didn't have ,much to say. He didn't express his opinion like I did mine, and he said he was tired and he was going home.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he indicate at anytime where he had been ?

Mr. Norton.

No, and I didn't ask him. I mean--there wasn't any reason to.

Mr. Hubert.

No, I understand that, but I thought he might have dropped some word that would indicate where he had been ?

Mr. Norton.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he indicate where he was going when he left?

Mr. Norton.

Yes; he said he was fired and he was going home.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was about 12:15 or 12:20?

Mr. Norton.

Somewhere around there.

Mr. Hubert.

He was alone?