Mr. Hallmark.

he wanted to say something, but he never did until he said, "I'll see you, Claud", and then he went and got in his car.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you form the impression then, on the 23d, that he was acting a bit differently than he usually did or has that impression been formed in retrospect?

Mr. Hallmark.

The best words I can think of to use he was typically himself only more so.

Mr. Hubert.

But I mean, did you get the impression of the "more so" then or did you think about it later and realize that it was more so?

Mr. Hallmark.

I got it then.

Mr. Hubert.

You got it then and there?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes; definitely.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't comment to anybody about it?

Mr. Hallmark.

No; not specifically.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, on the 23d you had the mental reflection that Ruby is acting a little bit differently than he usually does?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes; and the remarks which he made. He remarked to me and the first person he talked to on the telephone about what had happened to the President was terrible. Of course, I would certainly not object to his using the phone, he has used it numerous times, but I just acted, you know, I just left him alone. I didn't try to engage him in any conversation or anything because, or partially because of the way he was acting.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the manifestations of a difference in his attitude not only impressed itself on your memory at the time, but actually caused you to behave toward him differently than normally you would have?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes; it did, although I don't recall having anything that wanted to talk to him about.

Mr. Hubert.

But you mentioned a moment ago that you refrained deliberately from your normal attitude with him?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Because of the strangeness of his attitude?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes; I didn't want to impose myself on his thoughts whatever they were.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he indicate that he. was worried about the effect of the assassination of President Kennedy on his own business affairs?

Mr. Hallmark.

No; not except for the fact that he closed both his clubs. He had closed them the night prior and they were to be closed that night and the next, but he said nothing about the money it would cost him to close. He did ask me about the other--the neighboring places of business like his own. He asked me if I knew whether they would be open or not, and, of course, I told him that I did not know, and so he stated that they wouldn't have nerve enough to open after they had seen his ad. At the time I had not seen his ad. I looked at it later, and he had run an ad in the paper which stated that his clubs would be closed. It was a good-sized ad for that type place.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did he comment about the effect of the assassination on his future business rather than on the closing for the 3 days?

Mr. Hallmark.

No; he made no comment about that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he make any comment concerning his worry that for some reason the Jews might be implicated in the killing of the President on account of the Weissman ad?

Mr. Hallmark.

No; I heard nothing of that nature. As a matter of fact in having known him, I don't know, and of course, I realize that Ruby was Jewish. but I don't believe that I ever heard him say anything related to the fact that he was a Jew. I believe I would--rather people would get the impression that he was not Jewish. This is from looking at the thing and remembering it.

Mr. Hubert.

In retrospect?

Mr. Hallmark.

In retrospect.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you o serve any sensitivity on his part because he was a Jew?

Mr. Hallmark.

No; I have never. Like I say, I believe that he would--I think he would rather people have not known that he was a Jew, but that's my