Mrs. Helmick.

don't remember his name, but they were all teasing him, and I didn't know him know that well.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you sitting there or listening to the conversation?

Mrs. Helmick.

I was listening to them.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything about Ralph that indicated that he was ill or wasn't feeling well?

Mrs. Helmick.

No. There was nothing said that made him sound ill.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you work at the Bull Pen Drive-In after this telephone call on Saturday night?

Mrs. Helmick.

I worked until about a week after Thanksgiving.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear any conversation around the Bull Pen which would indicate that anybody had any advance information that Jack might do what he did?

Mrs. Helmick.

Now the next day after we had heard it on the radio, he was popping off about this telephone call that he had that night, and he told us that he talked to Jack and that they had talked about a gun, and that he had it in a dresser drawer or something like that, and that he didn't tell what he was going to do with it.
I don't even know that he told Ralph what he was going to do with it.
I don't even know that he told Ralph what he was going to do with it. [Repeating.].

Mr. Griffin.

When you refer to "he had it in the drawer," you mean Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Helmick.

Yes. But he was telling us again what I had overheard over the telephone about the gun and about out with one or the other. And he said that he had told Jack that he was either crazy, or something like that, that he didn't know what he was doing.

Mr. Griffin.

Who was present during this conversation on Sunday?

Mrs. Helmick.

Everybody that worked for him was gathered around there on the other side of this object that I have drawn where the cashier stands. We were all standing around in a huddle, and John was standing on one side of the counter, and we were all on the other.

Mr. Griffin.

When you refer to Johnny, do you mean Ralph Paul?

Mrs. Helmick.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you name the other employees who were there?

Mrs. Helmick.

It was Rose. I don't know their last names. It was Rose and Bonnie, and a boy named Joe and this tall man, and I don't remember his name, and Curly. This is an old man that works there.

Mr. Griffin.

Are all those people still employed there?

Mrs. Helmick.

As far as I know.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to leave your job there?

Mrs. Helmick.

I was sick for a week, and my baby was sick for a week, and whenever I got sick, I was off for about a week and 3 days, I guess, and whenever I went back after my job, he told me I couldn't have it, that he had hired someone else.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you had a fight with Ralph?

Mrs. Helmick.

No, I hadn't.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you known Ralph Paul before then?

Mrs. Helmick.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to get your job there?

Mrs. Helmick.

He called me on the telephone.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he happen to get your name?

Mrs. Helmick.

I went down there after I quit another job at Pal's Drive-In in Arlington, I went down there and asked about a Job, and he called me about 3 days later.

Mr. Griffin.

Had he made any advances toward you?

Mrs. Helmick.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You had never had anything but a business relationship with him?

Mrs. Helmick.

That is all. I must have not got too well acquainted with him. I didn't talk to him because I didn't understand him. He didn't talk like