Mr. Griffin.

Then, this would have been about late October that you first learned about it, or were you actually set up at the show?

Mr. Pullman.

No, at the show--this all happened within the week of the show.

Mr. Griffin.

So, the first day that you opened out there at the Texas Product Show, you didn't have the twistboards?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes; he already had them.

Mr. Griffin.

But you didn't have them out there?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Oh, you had them for the first full day?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes, he called me just before the show opened, about a day before the show opened, and that following night be brought them over. As a matter of fact, we tried to get them there at the time because they were going to have a big to do with the opening--the publicity and all--for the exhibits, which come about anyway, but that was one of the things I recall. I know it was on the same day--he came across with them on the same day--he brought over about three dozen, and that's all he had, and we sold about a dozen and I paid him whatever I got for them.

Mr. Griffin.

What was he charging for each one?

Mr. Pullman.

$2.95.

Mr. Griffin.

What sort of commission did he plan to provide for the distributor?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, he didn't know for sure what he was going to pay--he had no idea--40 percent off or 50 percent off or, if he didn't have a distributor, he was going to be the distributor. He would have hired salesmen.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know if he made any efforts to inquire into producing the thing himself?

Mr. Pullman.

No, but as far as that, that's about all I know that was closest to the time of the actual happening. Prior to that I knew him just while my wife had worked there those few weeks and I realized that he was a very erratic person and not a very easy person to talk to, to know, also the fact that he became upset very easily and cooled off just as quickly, but I have seen him just haul off and lambast or hit someone without thinking twice, because his club was run very well---considering.
I mean, he tried to keep it clean. He didn't try to let any rowdiness come into it like some of the other places of that type, so that he was kind of proud of that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know any of his employees?

Mr. Pullman.

Just as manager--Andrew.

Mr. Griffin.

Andrew Armstrong?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Tammi True?

Mr. Pullman.

I knew of the girls.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Kathy Kay?

Mr. Pullman.

Wait just a minute; was Tammi True the one he brought--the name rings a bell--I think he brought her out to the product show to demonstrate she demonstrated the beard. They got her picture.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Kathy Kay?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes; I knew most of the girls that were there. We knew--what's her name that New Orleans girl?

Mr. Griffin.

Jada?

Mr. Pullman.

Jada or something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you at the night club?

Mr. Pullman.

I was there at the time when she was brought in.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you there when Jack turned out the lights on her?

Mr. Pullman.

He never turned the lights out on her.

Mr. Griffin.

At least not in your presence?

Mr. Pullman.

No; he wouldn't never do that. He would give her an awful lot of hell, he would almost hit her--I'll tell you that, but he wouldn't turn the lights out. Are you talking about on stage?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Pullman.

Yes; if she got a little bit too risque, he would turn the lights out on her. He was very much concerned about the law.