Mr. Senator.

It definitely is a wrong statement.

Mr. Hubert.

You never saw it.

Mr. Senator.

Now what their conversations may be, you know, after all, he has talked to all the girls in the club at one time or another. What the conversations are I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

But you never saw anything that would indicate to you in any way, or heard anything by him that would lead you to the conclusion that his relationship with any of the girls was of an intimate character?

Mr. Senator.

No; if it was, I didn't know about it.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Jack's attitude about what his girls did in the nature of sexual intimacies with other people than himself?

Mr. Senator.

The girls working in the club?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

You refer to the strippers or the cocktail waitresses?

Mr. Hubert.

I refer to both, and if there is a difference between them then I would ask you to explain the difference.

Mr. Senator.

Well, if there was any and he heard about it, I am certain he would probably yank him out. He didn't go for that bit.

Mr. Hubert.

Something must have happened that leads you to that opinion. What is it that leads you to that opinion that he would certainly have done something about it?

Mr. Senator.

I have heard him mention that he doesn't want anybody outside using any of his girls.

Mr. Hubert.

You yourself have heard him say that?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he don't want any of his girls going out with customers. He didn't want the place to have a reputation such as that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he carry that policy to the point of supervising the personal lives of his strippers and waitresses beyond the area of relations with people who were in the club?

Mr. Senator.

Beyond the area?

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you mentioned a moment ago that he didn't want any girls to have any dates or anything with any patrons of the club or customers.

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now my next question is did he extend that policy of supervision of what his girls did to their personal relations with people who were not patrons of the club?

Mr. Senator.

That I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't know. First of all there can never be controllability of that. After all, where they are, that is their business, wherever they are, whether it is day or night. This I can't even answer you.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Jack sensitive about his religion?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us how you know that?

Mr. Senator.

Well, he didn't like the M.C.'s having any jokes about the Jewish race, things of that nature. Now I have heard him say so to a couple of M.C.'s already.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever talk to you personally about it, say anything to you?

Mr. Senator.

No; not particularly. I mean it has always been in the open. I have even heard him say it right in the club. He don't want any Jewish jokes. He was sensitive this way.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think he was overly sensitive on the subject?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I don't know, overly sensitive, but he was sensitive.

Mr. Hubert.

Is he more sensitive than other Jews that you have known?

Mr. Senator.

I would say he is; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

With reference to his religion, did he practice it actively?

Mr. Senator.

As far as going to church, synagogue?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

He went to church; he went to synagogue on holidays.

Mr. Hubert.

That is, Jewish holidays?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, yes; always.

Mr. Hubert.

He wasn't one who went regularly then to synagogue?