(Testimony of Curtis Laverne Crafard)
Mr. Crafard.
He was a bigger fellow. He stood about 6 foot. He is quite a bit bigger than I am, even. He was taller and heavier.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know anything about what Ruby did to keep in Physical condition?
Mr. Crafard.
I knew he worked with barbells quite a lot.
Mr. Hubert.
How did you know that?
Mr. Crafard.
He told me about his barbells a couple of times and he was dieting, and I had heard that he went to a gymnasium quite often.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he seem to you to be a powerful man, considering his build and weight and size?
Mr. Crafard.
For his type of build and flabbiness as he was, he had quite a bit of strength.
Mr. Hubert.
How did you know that?
Mr. Crafard.
Well----
Mr. Hubert.
Well, I mean did you observe him in a situation which demonstrated the use of strength?
Mr. Crafard.
No; not really where it would be a real test of strength or anything. I have never seen anything of that sort.
Mr. Hubert.
I was just wondering how you formed the impression that he was a pretty strong man, considering his size.
Mr. Crafard.
Well, for as heavy a man as he was, he was pretty solid for one thing; he was fairly solid.
Mr. Hubert.
You Could tell that by looking at him?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
I suppose you have seen him with his coat off or something.
Mr. Crafard.
I saw him with just his pants and a T-shirt on, or an undershirt and pants, on one occasion when I went to his house. He shaved and he said something and I stepped over to the bathroom door; I couldn't hear. He repeated it and I stepped back and sat down and watched television and then he went ahead and got cleaned up.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he carry a gun?
Mr. Crafard.
He had one in the car. He very seldom carried it on his person.
Mr. Hubert.
Where did he keep it in the car?
Mr. Crafard.
Usually in the trunk; it was in a money pouch, a money sack, which usually stayed in the trunk.
Mr. Hubert.
You say he didn't carry it on his person?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you ever see it on his person or know it was there in some way?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes, sir; one night that I knew for sure it was there.
Mr. Hubert.
What night was that?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't recall the date, but something happened, and Jack sent me down to the car to get the gun and bring it up to him.
Mr. Griffin.
Was there some trouble in the Carousel?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't remember whether it was right in the Carousel or whether it was a phone call or what it was, really. There was something there----
Mr. Hubert.
He told you something that indicated he ought to have the gun, and he asked you to go get it?
Mr. Crafard.
He sent me down after the gun.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he just simply send you down after the gun, or did he tell you that there was something that had happened?
Mr. Crafard.
He sent me down after the gun. Something happened right there at the club. I can't----
Mr. Hubert.
Was it some sort of a disturbance?
Mr. Crafard.
I can't recall just what it was.
Mr. Griffin.
Was this an incident that other people would have been aware of; Andy Armstrong might have been aware of?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe Andy Armstrong was right there at the time. I believe most any of the girls who worked for him were aware of it at the time.
Mr. Hubert.
Did I misunderstand you? Did you say this incident where you were sent for the gun was preceded by a phone call?
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