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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. XIII - Page 295« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Ira N. , Jr. Walker)

Mr. Walker.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Now have you been interviewed by any member of the President's Commission before this date, sir?
Mr. Walker.
No; only there were some FBI men came to the station, and I believe they are the men you mentioned here.
Mr. Hubert.
I meant members of the President's Commission?
Mr. Walker.
No, sir; not to my knowledge.
Mr. Hubert.
I have omitted to explore one area. You were called as a witness in the trial of Ruby?
Mr. Walker.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you recall the general nature of your testimony then?
Mr. Walker.
To state the same thing that I have here, that Jack Ruby came to the window of the truck.
Mr. Hubert.
You were called by the State?
Mr. Walker.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
To the best of your recollection, has your testimony today been any different from that which you gave at the trial of Ruby?
Mr. Walker.
No, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Has there been anything omitted here that was brought out in the trial of Ruby when you were a witness?
Mr. Walker.
No; in fact, it has been covered much better. The State didn't bring out the fact that we saw mug shots, and the defense kind of tore me up on that.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, when the defense tore you up, I suppose what they were trying to do is say you simply couldn't recall?
Mr. Walker.
They asked me how long I had known Ruby, which I did not know him, and they were trying to----
Mr. Hubert.
Did you give the explanation as to the mug shots?
Mr. Walker.
No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Hubert.
But it is a fact that the mug shots, that your connection between the mug shots did in fact take place?
Mr. Walker.
Yes, sir; that is the only real tie, is the fact that we had the mug shots. I probably wouldn't have remembered the man coming to the window if it hadn't been for the mug shots. I told District Attorney Wade that before I went in as a witness, but he didn't follow it up.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, to wrap it up, you are saying under oath now that the man at the window and the man in the mug shots and the man in the courtroom identified as Jack Ruby were one and the same person?
Mr. Walker.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
You have already testified that you recall the interview of you on December 4, by FBI Agents Earle Haley and Robley Madland. At the time you were interviewed, were you interviewed by those agents alone?
Mr. Walker.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
How did the interview take place?
Mr. Walker.
The two agents, myself, Warren Richey, Johnny Smith, and there might have been some others, Jimmy Turner was there part of ,the time of course, he introduced us to the FBI men, and I think he had already talked to him previously.
Mr. Hubert.
All of you were interviewed as a group rather than individually, is that right?
Mr. Walker.
That's right.
Mr. Hubert.
Were you shown a copy of the notes relative to what your statements were?
Mr. Walker.
No; I have seen no notes.
Mr. Hubert.
You have never seen any draft of the documents which have been identified as Exhibit 5315?
Mr. Walker.
Today is the first time I have ever seen that.
Mr. Hubert.
During the interview, did the FBI agents ask each of you to speak alone, or was it a composite sort of interview?
Mr. Walker.
It was composite. We spoke as we remembered the situation. I mean, everybody described the whole thing as it progressed along as best he could.
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