Mr. Turner.

Twelve and a half years.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you assigned to the visit of the President to Dallas, and to the subsequent events?

Mr. Turner.

1 was assigned after the assassination to NBC. I arrived over here approximately 1:15 the day of the assassination, which was November 22, and I remained over here until--through the following Wednesday.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did you have access during that period to the jail building on Harwood, between Commerce and Main Street?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was a particular sort of pass or identification given to you?

Mr. Turner.

No; it was not a pass given to us. No identification was ever required. The identification I used was a press card from a Sheraton Hotel, and I was never checked about the authenticity of it or anything.

Mr. Hubert.

But you were asked, in any case, to show that press pass that you have just described?

Mr. Turner.

Yes; we were. We were wearing it on our coat.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you describe that again?

Mr. Turner.

It was a press pass that the Sheraton Dallas Hotel had when they opened the new hotel here in Dallas. It had "Press" on it, the seal of the Sheraton Hotel and my name after it. It was very vague but the only thing we had at the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you ever accosted by anyone with respect to checking as to whether you----

Mr. Turner.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were connected with news media?

Mr. Turner.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You felt that simply wearing this on your coat with the word, "Press," was sufficient to get around as you wanted to?

Mr. Turner.

Correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see them checking any other people?

Mr. Turner.

To my knowledge, up until the following morning after the shooting of Oswald, there was no checking of passes that we ran into. Now, there was a checking after the shooting when we left the building, but I left the building with the pass, and came back in the building with the pass.

Mr. Hubert.

I am sure that during the 48 hours, approximately, between the President's death and the shooting of Oswald, that you must have had occasion to go in and out of that building a number of times.

Mr. Turner.

I used it at Parkland Hospital. I used it at the city hall also without being stopped, or asked what kind of pass it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Prior to November 24, did you know that man now known as Jack Ruby?

Mr. Turner.

No; I didn't, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You had never seen him before?

Mr. Turner.

I had never seen him.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you ever heard of him?

Mr. Turner.

I had never heard of him.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, of Course, since November 24, you have heard of Jack Ruby. You have seen his picture, I take it?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever seen him in person?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir; I saw him at the trial. At various times when they took him in the courtroom, except the morning of the shooting I saw him.

Mr. Hubert.

You saw him then, too? What I wanted to get at was whether you ever saw the man now known as Jack Ruby, in the police building prior to the time that you saw him immediately before the shooting?

Mr. Turner.

To my knowledge, I had never seen him until then.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to go to the assembly on the night of Friday, November 22, at which time Oswald was brought into the assembly room, or lineup room, I think it is in the police building, and as Oswald was shown, I think, by the district attorney to the various reporters who were assembled there?

Mr. Turner.

No, sir; we didn't arrive over until 1 a.m., Saturday morning