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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. XIII - Page 125« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of George R. Phenix)

Mr. Hubert.
Now, Mr. Phenix, I have shown you two documents which I am now going to mark for identification as follows, to wit: The first one I am marking, "Dallas, Tex., April 16, 1964, as number 5328, Deposition of George R. Phenix," and I am signing my name below that. That contains one page. It purports to be an interview of you on November 24, 1963, by FBI Agents Lee and Barrett [spelling] B-a-r-r-e-t-t.
I am marking the second document as follows:
"Dallas, Tex., April 16, 1964, as Exhibit 5329, Deposition of George R. Phenix," and I am signing my name below that. That document also contains only one page and purports to be a report of an interview with FBI Agents Harding and Rawlings. Have you had an opportunity to read the exhibits, which have been identified as Exhibits 5328 and 5329?
Mr. Phenix.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Do You consider that those exhibits represent a true and fair report of the interviews which they purport to cover?
Mr. Phenix.
Yes, sir. Now, the second one updates the first one. The second one is more correct.
Mr. Hubert.
That is to say, the one dated November 28, 1963, identified as Exhibit No. 5329, goes into more detail than the one dated November 24, which has been identified as Exhibit 5328?
Mr. Phenix.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you perceive any conflicts between them?
Mr. Phenix.
No--mainly--I don't know if you need this for your record or not. Mainly, there is just a correction in an impression I had. I was located around by the crew and in that first interview, I thought I would have been hit by Ruby since he was in front of me, as he stepped out of the crowd, but then we know---one says we know it wasn't Ruby--that's about it.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, could you more graphically show your position--I have asked you previously to study this FBI mockup of the jail office, showing also the Commerce and Main Street ramps, the ramp from the parking area into the street ramps, and I am going to ask you if you would show as, now, where you were when you first came into the area that this mockup shows, and I will explain the system that I will use.
If you will point to the place on the mockup, we will then agree as to what that point is on the chart and mark it so, and then if you change positions from one to another, we will so indicate, so that any person who reads your testimony with this chart before them can follow it intelligently.
Mr. Phenix.
All right.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, in order that the chart may be properly identified, I am marking it as follows: "Dallas, Tex., April 16, 1964, Exhibit No. 5330, Deposition of George R. Phenix." I will sign my name below that. Now, Mr. Phenix, at what time did you first come down into the basement and into this area?
Mr. Phenix.
It was a little after 9 o'clock, according to that statement, it said 9:10--it was closer to 9 o'clock.
Mr. Hubert.
You remained in the basement area the entire time until the actual shooting?
Mr. Phenix.
Mr. Hubert.
I guess it is correct to state you didn't stay in one particular spot all that time?
Mr. Phenix.
Oh, I unloaded the gear from the car in the area between the two stop signs at the level portion there where cars normally stop.
Mr. Hubert.
Will you point to that on here?
Mr. Phenix.
Right here [indicating].
Mr. Hubert.
I am marking on Exhibit 5330 the spot where Mr'. Phenix has stated that he unloaded the gear with a number one in a circle there and drawing a line from that, and I am writing "Spot where Phenix first unloaded gear at about 9:10 a.m." What was that gear?
Mr. Phenix.
The camera, the unipod, a microphone, and battery pack.
Mr. Hubert.
You unloaded it from a truck?
Mr. Phenix.
The Mobile News Unit--it is a station wagon we normally drive.
Mr. Hubert.
Have I marked the spot correctly?
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