So, we went to Jack on the 2d--on the 3d of December and gave him the opportunity to take the polygraph.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, you asked him ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Asked him, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was his lawyer present then?
Lieutenant REVILL. Not in the beginning. We later called Tom Howard to the interview so that he could be present, and they refused to have Jack submitted.

Mr. Hubert.

At first when you asked Jack about going on the polygraph machine prior to Tom Howard's being present, what did he say?
Lieutenant REVILL. He said--during the second interview he said that his lawyer would have to--

Mr. Hubert.

All right, then his lawyer came and
Lieutenant REVILL. They declined.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk about the basement?
Lieutenant REVILL. Tried to.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the result of that?
Lieutenant REVILL. And again, this was part of their defense, and--

Mr. Hubert.

Did he show any anger at you then ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I think it was a carryover from the first interview, but this was a strategy that we used. Let him be angry with me, thinking maybe that he might tell us something, but he never did.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you mention Harrison's name on the second interview ?
Lieutenant REVILL. I possibly did, but at this time he was more composed, and there was no---I don't recall any outbursts.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather that the second interview was not fruitful, in that nothing.
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

No information was gathered?
Lieutenant REVILL. Neither interview Was fruitful, other than from his outburst. It led me to believe that possibly he had talked to some officer, or had been seen by some officer prior to the shooting, but I was never able to confirm this.

Mr. Hubert.

At the time you saw Ruby, I take it you had not interviewed this man, Ray Rushing?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And didn't know anything about it?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

By the way, how did you find out about it ?
Lieutenant REVILL. He called me.

Mr. Hubert.

Ray Rushing called you ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I had assisted him, oh, approximately a year ago on a problem he was having with one of his preachers. He has got several preachers in his employment, and it was--involved a theft, and I was able to assist him, and he called me.

Mr. Hubert.

What date, about?.
Lieutenant REVILL. When he called me?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.
Lieutenant REVILL. It was during the trial. During the picking of the jurors. The specific date, I do not recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Anyhow, he came in and you interviewed him and made a verbal report to Alexander.
Lieutenant REVILL. Oh, Alexander was present at the interview.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether the result of that interview was passed

to the FBI or to any Government agencies ?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; it was not.

Mr. Hubert.

Nor is there a written report?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; no written report. Rushing was reluctant to take the stand.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say why ?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, he did. Because of his fight with the liquor industry they would use this to fight him with. Any publicity they might get of a