(Testimony of Rio S. Pierce)
Mr. Hubert.
What way was he facing then during the period that you were moving by him?
Lieutenant PIERCE. He was facing me, as well as I remember.
Mr. Hubert.
That is--
Lieutenant PIERCE. Momentarily, anyway.
Mr. Hubert.
In fact, he would have been looking from where he was standing toward the Main Street entrance? Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you see him turn his head any at all ?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No, sir; I couldn't see him for just a matter of a second there when I pulled out. That ramp is steep and a little bit difficult to get out there.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he step out in the street at all ?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, did you turn, immediately outside the Main Street entry or exit, to your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I was aware that people were pressed, not a large number of them,-but I would say maybe four or five.
Mr. Hubert.
On your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No, well, probably might have been a--I don't know. Just a guess. I don't recall the number of people now, what it would be.
Mr. Hubert.
DO you recall whether there were some people on your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I was aware that people were on both sides of the car when I pulled across the sidewalk.
Mr. Hubert.
And how far from the entrance?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Well, probably 6 or 7 feet.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you recognize anybody at all?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Nobody except one by the name of Vaughn.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, subsequently, of course, it turned out that Ruby shot Oswald. Did you know him prior to that time?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No.
Mr. Hubert.
Ruby?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir; I have known him 12 or 13 years, I guess.
Mr. Hubert.
So, you would recognize him without any difficulty whether he had a hat on or not?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I don't think I would have any trouble recognizing him if I saw him.
Mr. Hubert.
You did not, see him in that crowd to your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No; I didn't see him that day at all.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you think that if he had been there he would have recognized you ?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I'm saying the possibilities are very great that had he been there I might not have seen him. I mean, due to the time element and more or less concerned with getting across the sidewalk and into the street, driving the automobile at the same time. I am saying the possibilities are very good that I might not have seen him had he been there. I'd be very hesitant to say that I wouldn't.
Mr. Hubert.
I'm going to mark for identification three documents. First, I am marking, "Dallas, Texas, March 24th, 1964, Exhibit 5077. Deposition of Rio Pierce" and putting my name underneath that, and my initial on the second page and in the right-hand lower corner, that being a copy of a letter dated November 26, 1963, addressed to Chief Curry. The second document also consisting of two pages, a report of an interview with you by FBI Agents Smith and Chapoton, on December 6, in 1963. I am marking that, "Dallas, Texas, March 24, 1964. Exhibit 5078, deposition of Rio Pierce." Signing my name on the front page of that, and I place my initials on the lower right-hand corner of the second page. And I am marking a third document on the right-hand margin, "Dallas, Texas, March 24, 1964. Exhibit 5079, deposition of Rio Pierce." Signing my name on that front page and placing my initials in the lower right-hand corner of the second and third pages. That last document, to wit: 5079, purports to be a report of an interview by FBI Agents Chapoton and
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