Mr. Griffin.

Okay. I will mark this, "Exhibit, Dallas, Texas, W. J. NEWMAN," no; I take that back. I will mark it, but I think it best that we go through this whole thing chronologically. W. J. NEWMAN, 3-25-64, Exhibit 5038. Now, what did you do after the shot was fired?

Mr. Newman.

As soon as I heard the shot fired, I ran up into this place [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

I don't think we need to mark it. You stood at the base of the garage ramp?

Mr. Newman.

That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do at that point?

Mr. Newman.

Well, this officer came up to about--well, opposite me

Mr. Griffin.

TO make this, maybe, a little easier, let's take the pencil and you mark where you went to with pencil, and draw a line to it, and then mark where this other fellow went. Why don't you put an arrow, so we know which direction we are moving?

Mr. Newman.

(Indicating).

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Do you remember what the name of that officer was ?

Mr. Newman.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what did you do as you got up to that spot?

Mr. Newman.

Well, he or I, neither one had anyway of knowing what had happened, other than the fact a shot had been fired, and he said, "Don't let anyone leave." There was a man came at me from this direction, running towards me. I stopped him [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Was he a newspaper man or what?

Mr. Newman.

He later told me he was a member of one of these camera crews.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do with him when you stopped him?

Mr. Newman.

We scuffled a couple of seconds there until he recognized I was a police officer.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you in uniform?

Mr. Newman.

Yes. And as I recall, he said, "I am not trying to leave. I will stay with you. I just want to get away from there," or something to that effect. He didn't stand there but for a minute. Then he asked me if he could go back to the crew. I told him he could, but not to try to leave the building. I still didn't know what had happened.

Mr. Griffin.

Why would he run off in that direction ?

Mr. Newman.

I don't know. There was a man crouched behind this column here [indicating]. I assumed, I still do, he was probably Just trying to find some place to go. Those columns offered the most protection.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how long did you remain there after you stopped that man?

Mr. Newman.

Until the ambulance arrived.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you describe this man that you stopped?

Mr. Newman.

No; I can't.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever learn what TV crew he was from?

Mr. Newman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, after the ambulance came, did you continue to remain there?

Mr. Newman.

I moved up to the base of the Commerce ramp here. There was another officer in plain clothes here some newsmen tried to follow the ambulance out and we stopped them.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. That was a plain clothes officer, I think you said.

Mr. Newman.

I think we stopped him. He showed us his identification and he went on up the ramp. Not more than, oh, 2 or 3 minutes after that, I assume they decided to let these men go where they wanted to. I don't know that for a fact, but at any rate I was sent out on the corner of Main and Harwood to direct traffic. There were quite a few police units coming in from different parts of town.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain out on the corner of Main and Harwood?

Mr. Newman.

Not over 10 minutes. A motorcycle officer relieved me.

Mr. Griffin.

Then what did you do?