Mr. Griffin.

Now, during the period you were standing there in the garage, were you able to look over in the direction of the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Newman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see, during the period that you were in the garage, any automobiles moved out of the garage?

Mr. Newman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you remember when the armored car came down--was brought down the ramp?

Mr. Newman.

No; I didn't even know it was there. I couldn't see it from my location. Well, the armored car wasn't brought down the ramp. It was just backed to the door.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there ever a time that you were aware there was an armored car up there?

Mr. Newman.

Not until after the shooting.

Mr. Griffin.

Standing where you were standing was there anything that happened, what you would estimate, a half hour before Oswald was shot, that would be significant to fix the time ?

Mr. Newman.

No; the only thing I can recall at all, there was a pop-type noise in that area there. I found out later, when they opened the door to the armored car a soft drink bottle had rolled out and broken. That caused quite a commotion among the reporters and some of them went up the ramp to see what happened.

Mr. Griffin.

Before you heard that pop-type noise, do you remember anything else before that that might be significant?

Mr. Newman.

No. Other than the movement of the cars and the men in there, I can't recall anything.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, directing your attention then to the pop-type noise, did you see any cars moved out of the basement after you heard the pop?

Mr. Newman.

Yes; I am almost certain a car did leave after that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Saw a car leave or more than one car?

Mr. Newman.

One is all I recall.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was that car parked, if you recall?

Mr. Newman.

Well, I am not too sure of that. I think it was parked in this area just to the bottom of this small ramp here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Would you mark on the map where you think that was? You want to mark car?

Mr. Newman.

[Indicating.]

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you see that car move to?

Mr. Newman.

Well, if its the one I am thinking about, they turned and went out .the Main Street side. I recall there was a car came in. I think it was a squad that had a prisoner. I don't recall it leaving. It may have. I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you recall a car coming in, before or after that car went out?

Mr. Newman.

It must have been before.

Mr. Griffin.

You say must have been, because somebody has told you that a car went out there ?

Mr. Newman.

No; but I am sure I do recall this car left--oh, not over 5 or 10 minutes, if that long, before Oswald was brought in, and I do know that no other car left after that, or entered.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, now, do you remember two cars being moved out of the garage up behind the armored van?

Mr. Newman.

I recall one that was parked right here. I don't remember whether there were two or not, but there was definitely one parked right here on the level part of the ramp [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see where that came from; where that car came from?

Mr. Newman.

I don't recall, but I think it came from the parking area.

Mr. Griffin.

But you didn't see it moved out of the parking area?

Mr. Newman.

If I did, I don't recall. I am sure I did, but----

Mr. Griffin.

When Sergeant Dean placed you in the basement, did you recall where he placed any of the other men?