Mr. Cutchshaw.

came in with me, and I believe it was a, I think it was Lieutenant Wiggins that was on duty that morning. I'm not too sure.

Mr. Griffin.

How many newspaper people would you estimate were in there?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I would say there were about seven or eight in there at the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see where those people went?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes; they came out this door and to the left.

Mr. Griffin.

The door where you stationed yourself?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did they all go out and turn left as they got out?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

They all turned to the left, and two of them, I don't know who they were, I would recognize them if I saw them, came into this area here.

Mr. Griffin.

Came behind the double doors ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Came back in from the double doors in front of the jail office window.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you put an "N" on the map where the people were?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I wouldn't know the exact position where they went, but two of them went in here, and one came back out here and stood for a minute. I will put it right in front of this window right here.

Mr. Griffin.

One of them went in there and stayed, and the other one went in and came out?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Right; he came out and was standing out here for a moment.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did he go ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

We made him get back of the hallway, and I think I was right about in here.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you put an "N" where that newspaper man was.

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did the remainder of the newspaper people go?
Mr. CUTCHSHAW, They went back into this area along there. They got a pipe rail here, and they had officers along, and somewhere in behind these offices along that rail.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, would you place on the map where you recall seeing TV cameras?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Put an "N" or what?

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you draw sort of a rectangle of some sort and write TV. Make it big enough.

Mr. Cutchshaw.

[Complies.]

Mr. Griffin.

Now, were there any other TV cameras in the basement, that you recall ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Not right at first, but another one did come in through the door and went down to this position here.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you mark this spot that it went to?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

The last position I saw it in was about in here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

How long before Oswald came down did that TV camera come out through the double doors and go down to the spot that you have marked in the entrance to the garage?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Oh, about 2 or 3 minutes. Just prior to when they were coming down. It is when they were coming down. It is when they came through the door.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, at any time while you were down there, was there a TV camera along the wall that Lowery was on?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

This one right here that came through here, and Lowery was standing right here.

Mr. Griffin.

Put an "L" where Lowery was.

Mr. Cutchshaw.

And they came through right down by him, down this ramp here.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there ever a TV camera stationed there?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Not that I remember; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall if the TV camera which you saw go out into the garage area, came down through the public elevators, or through the jail office elevators ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I didn't see them come down.