Had you given any instructions to the police officers up to this point as to how they should stand in relationship, where they should be facing?
Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now after talking with Chief Stevenson, what next happened ?
Chief BATCHELOR. Almost immediately the car containing Lieutenant Pierce and I believe Sergeant Maxey pulled out of here, and these people had to step back, and they pulled out, and the detective cars were pulled here in on the ramp and backed into position.

Mr. Griffin.

Chief, at this point, just before Oswald was brought down, were there any automobiles in the portion of the garage which would be the north half of the garage, do you recall?
Chief BATCHELOR. As I recall it, there were one or two vehicles parked back in here, police vehicles.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Were there any police vehicles, and if you don't have any recollection, state that. Do you recall if there were any police vehicles along the railing of the Main Street ramp?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall. If there were, they were back from this entrance. There weren't any in the immediate entrance to the jail door.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall if there were any people other than the people manning these TV cameras, behind the railing?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall that. I don't think there were, because these people here went up to just about where the cameras were. This curved a little bit around here. It wasn't just a straight line. It would curve a little bit like this, then, but they were standing away from the front of those cameras, because those cameras were on a tripod at a level on the floor, which was lower than this ramp level.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, as Pierce and Maxey's car went up the ramp, did you watch it go up the ramp?
Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do as it went up the ramp?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall. I was up here. I was more concerned with this truck here and getting this truck out of there when this thing started.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you watch Pierce and Maxey's car go through the line of newsmen?
Chief BATCHELOR. I saw it. I wasn't

Mr. Griffin.

Were you paying any attention?
Chief BATCHELOR. Not particularly. I do remember seeing it.

Mr. Griffin.

After Pierce and Maxey's car broke through the line of news-men, what do you remember next happening?
Chief BATCHELOR. I remember backing these or pulling up these two detective cars that were to carry Oswald, and one detective pulled up here a little ways, and he had to pull up a little further so this one could get up, and they then backed up. And this one had hardly gotten in place, barely had stopped, when somebody shouted, "Here he comes."

Mr. Griffin.

All right, now, are you sure how certain are you that these two detective cars pulled out after Pierce and Maxey ?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't think Pierce and Maxey could have gotten out with those two detective cars where they were.

Mr. Griffin.

Sounds pretty good to me.
Chief BATCHELOR. While they were in place, they couldn't have pulled around here, because they were blocking this entrance here.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, who drove those two detective cars?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall. Men out of the Homicide Bureau, but I don't know which ones.

Mr. Griffin.

Are they listed in this report, do you recall ?

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