officer, was at one time employed by Jack Ruby." That statement arose from having read the newspapers in which Cox gave a statement to the newspaper, the newsmen, and said that he had worked for Jack Ruby. It was not of my knowledge. I didn't know Cox. We have no police sergeant--that is supposed to have been a Sergeant Cox, and we have no police sergeant named Cox.

Mr. Hubert.

As I understand your explanation, you do not deny that you made that statement, but the information you based the statement on you received from the newspapers and not from your own knowledge at all?
Captain TALBERT. True, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And do you have any knowledge on the point?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir; I still don't know Cox.

Mr. Hubert.

Any other comments?
Captain TALBERT. And the fourth paragraph, same page. That is fourth paragraph, page 7, same exhibit. "In regard to any background information concerning Jack Ruby, Captain Talbert stated that he was never personally acquainted with Jack Ruby, and when he did see Jack Ruby, he could only recall that it was a familiar face. He related that he could not associate the name with the face, and was not aware that Ruby was a nightclub owner in Dallas * * *" I intended to convey that the face of Ruby did not associate itself in my mind with nightclubs. in the Dallas area. Although, the name of Ruby associates itself with a reputation of Ruby by--as a nightclub operator in Dallas, quite vividly. I am quite familiar with his nightclubs by name, and associate the name with the unsavory background.

Mr. Hubert.

And that knowledge concerning Ruby, had you used it prior to .the events of the 24th ?
Captain TALBERT. Yes; that knowledge existed prior to the events of the 24th, and were police records. And other police officers conveying their information to me as to activities around his club, I--around his sister's club out on Oak Lawn, the Vegas Club and the whole name of Ruby and Ruby's sister and their operation of their clubs was familiar to me.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you used the word "unsavory" in connection with him?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir; I did. Can she hold this ?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I'd rather
Captain TALBERT. You can put it in later.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. (Discussion off the record. )

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Do you have any other things, other comments to make with reference to it ?
Captain TALBERT. Not to that specific exhibit, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

All right; will you then initial-
Captain TALBERT. I think that is the final one.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether it was ever considered moving Ruby by use of the Main Street basement entrance?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean moving Oswald.
Captain TALBERT. No, sir; I had no information on that and

Mr. Hubert.

You did not hear that discussed ?
Captain TALBERT. I had--I never heard any rumors to that effect. Didn't hear it discussed and I never heard any rumor.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there anything else that you would like to say concerning any of the matters that we have discussed, Captain Talbert?
Captain TALBERT. Only say that with the explanation of how the basement has been secured, and my personal examination of the basement, I was of the opinion that no unauthorized person could enter that basement.

Mr. Hubert.

To what did you attribute the failure of the security?
Captain TALBERT. The final reason, or the official investigation is one that I can't refute, and I am sure you are familiar with it, that Officer Vaughn on the Main Street entrance stepped out to the curb as Lieutenant Pierce pulled the plain car out to put it in front of the armored car just prior to the shooting, and that is the route that Ruby said he took into the station, and it--as far as any investigation has been, that is the route he took. I can't-

Mr. Hubert.

There is no positive evidence indicating any other route?

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